Bowling for Columbine

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:46 am

Great film, a really interesting look at gun crime and gun culture in America, anyone who hasn't seen it should. It is poigniant and interesting.

Also, Charlton Heston is a jerk!

- I will add more on it later when I have the time.

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:06 am

I am sooo interested in seeing this movie. I find america's stance on arming its civilians a basic joke. Something along the lines of an old college tradition that is now so bunk and retarded but they wont let it go, cause its tradition.

(Now of course my views on war and weapons dont change, but those arn't untrained civilians who I have to drive by every day..)

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:16 am

There is this fantastic comparison between nations, in Canada they have seven million guns to ten million people and hardly any gun crime at all, in America last year they had 11,495(i think) gun related crimes...I might recall these slightly incorrectly, still fascinating though isn't it. Canada are just as mad about guns as America but don't feel the need to shoot each other.

...more work to do...

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:44 am

For now I will be poetic.

America's Pride is like a lovely rose bush, when blooming at its height it is the greatest of all flowers... glorious in sight and over all the best smell.... but with this giant bush (heh) comes the thorns...

Basically our attitude "Were the best" is healthy for nationalism, but it stems down to the level of
" I am better than my neighbor " ... and eventually "I need to be armed to keep myself from all the people who are not as good as me"

p.s. We still rock canada.

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:52 am

Originally posted by RandomThug
p.s. We still rock canada.

you wish......

As for moore shootings in America I'll actually have to agree with thug on this one....... someone's pride can be a nasty thing to deal with..... also the huge mix in cultures constibute to this IMO

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:59 am

also the huge mix in cultures constibute to this IMO

Thats what i mean by the rose bush with thorns, it is our diversity that gives us strength and it is our diversity that causes us strife. That is where I find it hard for many people to argue against America... in many other countries they have clear cut problems, they find solutions, and its over. America is such a blended society, there is never a clear cut solution.

btw Ottawa's going broke soon its going to be the Seatle Senators hah!

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:12 am

Originally posted by RandomThug

btw Ottawa's going broke soon its going to be the Seatle Senators hah!

Man. That sucks so bad. We need to have more foreign teams in the Pro sports business. Im tired of hearing "World Champs" when theres only one country involved. We need more Canadian, Mexican and Carribean teams to get involved.

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:25 am

I dont think its lack of involvement, just talent.

Cept for soccer, or football whatever you foriegners call it *heh kidding*

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:29 am

Originally posted by RandomThug
I dont think its lack of involvement, just talent.

Cept for soccer, or football whatever you foriegners call it *heh kidding*

I actually think it has to deal with cash. Most of the non-American teams tend to lack funds.

Heh. I hate soccer. And Im from Massachusetts, so Im a US resident.

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:52 am

Actually your right on the dot, its all about the benjamins baby. American teams/owners are just cash cows who can just sit around and wait till teams like Ottowa go broke...

"Every time I make some money, an angel gets his wings"

Isnt that how it goes?

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:15 pm

Michael Moore does a very interesting job of this film. He hardly ever gives his opinion and he does it all documentary style without (much) bias or a great deal of editorial. He places the camera and lets the people watch. I think his directing as much as anything is part of the impact of the film.

"From my cold dead hand" - That can be arranged Charlton you racist tosser.

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:27 pm

I have heard very good things about this movie and I hope to see it someday.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:18 pm

Canada can rock the US any day.

I wanted to see this movie...just didn't get a chance. I laughed when I saw the trailer though; he wants the bank membership that gives him the free gun...guns being handed out at a bank...

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:02 am

Hey, he's the same director who made another film, Roger & Me, another must-see. It really struck a chord with us - we lived in the Flint area.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:07 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Michael Moore does a very interesting job of this film. He hardly ever gives his opinion and he does it all documentary style without (much) bias or a great deal of editorial. He places the camera and lets the people watch. I think his directing as much as anything is part of the impact of the film

I've heard two schools of thought about this movie. The first is that it's incredibly good and will probably win an Oscar. The second is that it is incredibly factually inaccurate, interesting though it may be. Personally I haven't had a chance to see it yet, but I intend to. It got excellent reviews over here.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:50 am

Originally posted by Georgi
Personally I haven't had a chance to see it yet, but I intend to. It got excellent reviews over here.

If your quick you can see it next week with me, we both know the movie experience isn't the same without me

As for the movie, I just want to see the Marilyn Manson interview, the guy apparently is more sensible then Heston or the rest of the people interviewed through out the feature.

Beldin · Post by **Beldin** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:12 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
There is this fantastic comparison between nations, in Canada they have seven million guns to ten million people and hardly any gun crime at all, in America last year they had 11,495(i think) gun related crimes...I might recall these slightly incorrectly, still fascinating though isn't it. Canada are just as mad about guns as America but don't feel the need to shoot each other.

...might also be because the Marijuana-prohibiting laws in Canada are not as severe as the ones in the US.

If you're stoned you're more likely to think about love than about war...

...

No worries,

Beldin

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:50 am

Originally posted by Tamerlane
As for the movie, I just want to see the Marilyn Manson interview, the guy apparently is more sensible then Heston or the rest of the people interviewed through out the feature.

Indeed he is, he comes across as more of an intellectual and actually seems to have some clue.

Georgi, that might well be true, his facts that he puts together like the eleven thousand statistic might well be incorrect, however the Wal Mart incident and a few of the other things that go on in the movie are obviously factual, as are the NRA issues. If he is wrong about anything it is probably the statistics.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:54 am

I've possibly read and seen the same reviews as Georgi. So this could be one of the problems, I've heard that his targets tend to seem pretty soft, although the Heston meeting disputes that argument IMO.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:02 am

Originally posted by Tamerlane
I've possibly read and seen the same reviews as Georgi. So this could be one of the problems, I've heard that his targets tend to seem pretty soft, although the Heston meeting disputes that argument IMO.

Well Wal Mart and Charlton Heston (as you say) are pretty big targets. I think part of the small targets thing might be showing the public perception and the public at large however that might just be my interpretation. Sounds like a crappy review to me

Plus the film is there to document not to attack.