What I am curious about is what the name of pretty much every political party that you are aware that has existed, and what were the goals of their party concept. Don't worry about what the RESULT was, but what the ideals were of the party concept as a whole in it's purest form. So don't say Nazis just wanted to kill Jews because Hitler killed jews..Hitler isn't the Nazi party, he was just part of it and probably misguided.
(USA)Democrat -
(USA)Republican -
(USA)Green -
(USA)Peace & Freedom -
(USA)American Independant -
(USA)Libertarian -
(IRQ)Baath -
(CHN)Communist -
(JPN)Imperialist -
(GER)Nazi -
any others I haven't mentioned that you are aware of? Any definitions of the parties that I have?
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These goals change across time. The original Republican Party was started to counter the secessionist movement in the Deep South, and to form an industry-friendly anchor to counter plantation culture. That's hardly the way it is, now. 
And I suspect there are at least three or four different views of what the Republican Party believes, depending upon whom you speak to, today.
And I suspect there are at least three or four different views of what the Republican Party believes, depending upon whom you speak to, today.To the Righteous belong the fruits of violent victory. The rest of us will have to settle for warm friends, warm lovers, and a wink from a quietly supportive universe.
This topic is far too complex to just post a few lines about, but in general you will find all of the below parties in all European countries:
Social Democrats (which are not socialists but instead a development of labour parties+liberal leaning economics)
Social Liberals (middle road ideology with liberal economics but supporting a stong tax funded social wellfare network in governmental control)
Conservatives (more for privatisation, lower taxes and less social network, less central locus of power, liberal economics, sometimes keeping of traditional values)
Green Party (obviously focusing of environmental issues, in some countries very leftist in economics, in other countries not)
Agricultural parties (traditional middle road politics with special focus on farmers, more of a relic from the old agricultural Europe)
Christian parties (focus on christian values, family values and usually the only parties who oppose free abortion etc. The Swedish christian party is often too small to take a place in the parliament (requires 4% of votes) )
Communism/socialism (former communist parties have usually dropped the old communism or socialism ideology, but they still represent centralisation of power)
Social Democrats (which are not socialists but instead a development of labour parties+liberal leaning economics)
Social Liberals (middle road ideology with liberal economics but supporting a stong tax funded social wellfare network in governmental control)
Conservatives (more for privatisation, lower taxes and less social network, less central locus of power, liberal economics, sometimes keeping of traditional values)
Green Party (obviously focusing of environmental issues, in some countries very leftist in economics, in other countries not)
Agricultural parties (traditional middle road politics with special focus on farmers, more of a relic from the old agricultural Europe)
Christian parties (focus on christian values, family values and usually the only parties who oppose free abortion etc. The Swedish christian party is often too small to take a place in the parliament (requires 4% of votes) )
Communism/socialism (former communist parties have usually dropped the old communism or socialism ideology, but they still represent centralisation of power)
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It would be all but impossible to list all partys you know of, and explain their politics/goals here. (We have about 8-9 political parties that can have influence in politics here in Denmark, alongside several to small to possible have influence).
It would be better to simply try and explain the various degrees of the political compas right to left, imo.
Also there would be confusion in terms across the countries as well.
What we in Denmark referer to as liberals are not what americans would referer to as liberals. Liberal in Denmark is likely more translatable with Libertrian - it speaks that the government should interferer as little as possible with individual and speaks of decentralizing government. (Although this party which funnily enough is called "Left" (translated into english) but are more rightwing then the conservative - but that has a little fun danish political story to it).
It would be better to simply try and explain the various degrees of the political compas right to left, imo.
Also there would be confusion in terms across the countries as well.
What we in Denmark referer to as liberals are not what americans would referer to as liberals. Liberal in Denmark is likely more translatable with Libertrian - it speaks that the government should interferer as little as possible with individual and speaks of decentralizing government. (Although this party which funnily enough is called "Left" (translated into english) but are more rightwing then the conservative - but that has a little fun danish political story to it).
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I think a European left-right compass and a US left-right compass would help greatly, since the two left-rights are not in the same vector.
I am not sure about Asia, perhaps our Asian SYM:ers can help out.
Btw, what is the aim of the thread, Paranitis?
I think a European left-right compass and a US left-right compass would help greatly, since the two left-rights are not in the same vector.
I am not sure about Asia, perhaps our Asian SYM:ers can help out.
Btw, what is the aim of the thread, Paranitis?
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I think a European left-right compass and a US left-right compass would help greatly, since the two left-rights are not in the same vector.
I would agree - but I would think it difficult to actually compare the two seeing as the are very different at their core, but it could be fun because of the differences ....
But unfortunally - I don't know enough about parties in other european countries to actually classify them into boxes along side of the danish parties.... I only know of a few of the Swedish parties as well
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If i am correct the right left compass of the US and EU are inverted. So what is left for the US is right for the EU.
When I think of Right I usually think economic protectionism, xenophobia and racism.
When I think of Left, I think of the 1970s and Woodstock. Just two extreme examples to work from.
When I think of Right I usually think economic protectionism, xenophobia and racism.
When I think of Left, I think of the 1970s and Woodstock. Just two extreme examples to work from.
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[QUOTE=CM]If i am correct the right left compass of the US and EU are inverted. So what is left for the US is right for the EU.[/QUOTE]
No, it's not that simple unfortunately, they are in different dimensions.
For instance, racism/xenophobia is right in Western Europe, but economic protectionism is left.
No, it's not that simple unfortunately, they are in different dimensions.
For instance, racism/xenophobia is right in Western Europe, but economic protectionism is left.
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Really? I must be working with the american definitions there.
So a quick list for europe would be as follows:
Right Wing:
Anti-Immigration
Liberal Economic outlook
More emphasis on Domestic Affairs than International
Liberal Fiscal Policy
Anti-Gay and minority rights
Left - is the opposite of Right.
So a quick list for europe would be as follows:
Right Wing:
Anti-Immigration
Liberal Economic outlook
More emphasis on Domestic Affairs than International
Liberal Fiscal Policy
Anti-Gay and minority rights
Left - is the opposite of Right.
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Well I can't speak for the other European nations (I reality I probably can't speak for any nation at all). However the compass isn't exactly inverted they're simply at different places on the map. I'll try to clarify. If you divide this so called map in two; a right part, and a left part. Then the European compass is somewhere on the left side and the US is somewhere on the right side. Because what is considered liberal in Europe is considered extreme in the United States.
But right is still right, and left is still left. Or east is east and west is west, whatever is appropriate.
But right is still right, and left is still left. Or east is east and west is west, whatever is appropriate.
Left and Right don't work that way. The list of features would be:
Left:
- Increased nationalisation, increased taxation, increased government pervasiveness and services.
Right:
- Deacreased nationalistaion, decreased taxation, decreased government pervasiveness and services, increased private services.
You cannot extend the Left Wing - Right Wing spectrum into social issues. Left wing parties can be liberal, but they can also be authoritarian. Right-wing parties can be conservative, but they can also be revolutionary or extremist.
Please correct me if this is not true in the USA, it is certainly true in the UK
Left:
- Increased nationalisation, increased taxation, increased government pervasiveness and services.
Right:
- Deacreased nationalistaion, decreased taxation, decreased government pervasiveness and services, increased private services.
You cannot extend the Left Wing - Right Wing spectrum into social issues. Left wing parties can be liberal, but they can also be authoritarian. Right-wing parties can be conservative, but they can also be revolutionary or extremist.
Please correct me if this is not true in the USA, it is certainly true in the UK
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We have some very right wing parties in Denmark (due to for instance the immigration view) that wants to increase government spendure on social services and similar, especially on children and elderly.
And also wants us out of the EU, if I do recall it correct.
So the picuter is never black and white or rather a globally "left to right" scale.
Much also comes depends on the country in questions culture - because if a society has some areas where they are very "open", it is likely that this will be reflected in the political spectrum. For instance Danes are starting to feel pressure from failed integration of immigrants, which leads to the notion that the country shouldn't allow many more immigrants at the moment (difference between immigrants and refugees seaking asylum) which reflects in the politics that even the social demokrats (one on the left of center parties) are haveing "right wing" politics these days.
Left-right wing is never easy.
And also wants us out of the EU, if I do recall it correct.
So the picuter is never black and white or rather a globally "left to right" scale.
Much also comes depends on the country in questions culture - because if a society has some areas where they are very "open", it is likely that this will be reflected in the political spectrum. For instance Danes are starting to feel pressure from failed integration of immigrants, which leads to the notion that the country shouldn't allow many more immigrants at the moment (difference between immigrants and refugees seaking asylum) which reflects in the politics that even the social demokrats (one on the left of center parties) are haveing "right wing" politics these days.
Left-right wing is never easy.
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