Honest Answers, Everyone

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:59 pm

O.k, as I have read in threads that have to do with k3, I have noticed, that many of you want to play as Revan again, Why?, What do you see in revan that is so great? Why would you want to play as this Charectar, I want some Honest awnsers, not some kind of, 000 R3vaN Has 133t powers, or revan is so cool, nothing like that. I want awnsers that acctually explain why.

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:06 pm

LoL Speaking as someone who does *not* want to be Revan in the third game, I can honestly say I shouldn't even bother responding to this thread.........

Okay, now that I've said that, I don't see the appeal. Maybe you can get Revan later, but frankly I think Revan's dead. I'm just considering HK-47 now (I was talking to him earlier today and it got me thinking), and HK-47 will move heaven and earth to find his master again, but doesn't seem to care to try in KotOR II. Also, he mentions repeatedly in KotOR I that he shuts down after his master is killed, and I find it entirely hard to believe--although it is possible, like if he got ambushed--that HK-47 would allow himself to be scavenged for parts and have his schematics taken so he can be cloned in the form of the HK-50s. I think that HK-47 was with Revan and Revan died, and when HK-47 saw this, he shut down. Kreia probably found HK-47 during her quest to find Revan again, before or after he was ripped apart and copied, but since he couldn't be made operational, she brought him with her in hopes of one day repairing him to see if he knew what happened to Revan. You might wonder if Bastila would be able to sense if Revan had died, but after she turned to the dark side, whatever Force bond they had had would've been severed, like the link between the exile and Kreia. So she probably wouldn't have known if Revan were standing next to her incognito. Or else KotOR III will solve the solution of all the possible choices you could make in I and II and just kill her off so they don't have to make the story any more intricate.

I don't want Revan back, but if they bring him/her back, I'd prefer not to play with Revan. Make him/her an NPC or something that you can get quests from, maybe, but bring him/her back in a way that won't be so completely stupid. There's no fun at all starting out with someone who would be all-powerful, or even starting out with someone in your party who will be all-powerful. And it'd kinda suck to wind up getting Revan close to the end of the game to nullify having someone uber-powerful in your party, cuz then you'd have so little to do with Revan. So I think Revan's dead. There, I rained on their parade, sue me.

Oh, but I do want Revan back, cuz R3vaN is c001 and has l337 powers! (just messing with ya now, Zen)

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:12 pm

Exactly, but to many people think its so awesome that your a level 20 jedi, who had a memory wip and who turns out to be the Dark lord of the sith. I mean its not really that cool, I liked the fact that it turns out that you are the dark lord of the sith, but its to overrated. Any one else care to comment?

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:34 pm

I agree with chimera. I don't know if the game would keep its effect either, with such a strong character to begin with. I am sorry, but the whole idea of memory wipes is just boring now. You never hear about what happened in the last game either, other than the well known facts, like the sith fought the jedi, ect, ect.

Bringing back some of the older characters would be ok, like talking to Revan, or Bastila, Carth, ect, just as long as it doent totally revolve around them again. I think it would be ok if they brought back some of the other NPCs from the first quest. Like getting a Jedi Master, like Zhar, travelling to some planet on a mission. Or Dustil, Carths son.

The question that i would ask though, is that, if you did have to play Revan, then what would your force powers be? How would they know what happened in the first game, other than having to remind Revan, or something along the lines (since many of the characters seem to have memory problems), and that interupts the game flow and the image of having this all knowing and all powerful sith lord as your character.

Besides, whats the fun in playing a ready made characer when you cant create your own?

And no offence, but Im a *little* sick of seeing the droids comeing back all the time. At least they brought in a new droid for the second one, and the old droids had a new objective, but if they are going to do another leap forward in time, then i dont know if its really logical to keep them around. They were already out of date in the second one. If they can still match combat capabilities in the third one, then I think that Czerka or Systech should geet some new engineers.

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:06 am

Thank you, not many people respond like that. I agree with it.

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:03 am

i dunno why i what revan back to be honest i think it was just such an impelling story line and i just liked it so much when it turns out that you are revan and stuff but i like wouldn't want to start out at level 20 as him but like to be honest i don't mind if your him or not but they've left to many mysteries about him which keep you wondering........

but there is one thing which i want him back for cause after the star forge they say he cause to the outer rim worlds n like in the star wars history and everything you dont know much about the outter rim i just like want to go out there and see whats there but for some reason i am in love with revans robes! dont ask why......im a very wierd person

LostJedi · Post by **LostJedi** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:20 pm

I also don't want to play as Revan, but I certainly want him/her back in the game. I don't believe he/she is dead, if only because T3-M4 practically tells you that he brought back the Ebon Hawk to the Exile because he was looking for somebody to help Revan, who wouldn't need any help if dead. As for HK-47, I think it may have been Revan himself who shut him down as he/she didn't want him to be set loose on the galaxy without a master.

But why do I want Revan back?

IMO, Revan is such an interesting character because his/her ambivalence. In many games, or books, the hero is trying to save the world/galaxy/whatever from some super-villain. In KOTOR 1, you found out that you, the hero, actually were/had been the super-villain yourself, and that all you were doing was mostly undoing the evil you had wrought yourself (I'm presuming that Revan was lightside at the end as that's how I see him/her). At the Star Forge, during the final fight, you were remembered that the presumed super-villain had actually been your best friend and quite a good guy once, and it had been you who had led him on his present course.
One of the best things in KOTOR 1 was that it made you realize that the best Jedi are not those who have always steered clear of the dark side, but those who have fallen to the dark side themselves and come back from it, like Juhani, or Bastila after the Star Forge. I always thought it was sad that Anakin Skywalker died so soon after turning back to the light; he could probably have taught Luke and his apprentices quite a bit about the Force. Revan is like an Anakin who survived. He/she knows about both sides, and is now trying to find his/her way between what he/she was, and is now; and I would sure like to see how this way turns out in the end.

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:34 pm

Oh, revan was an interesting char, its just that every time the name was mentioned, everyone in the forums would be like I want to play as revan again or he was so awesome he has 733t peoers and crap like that. It just annoyed me a whole lot.

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:41 am

ye like i think revan was a proper intresting character aswell hes a quick thinker even though your the one who chooses the stuff he does lol nah i think he was just a really intesting intreegin character but i think like Lostjedi kind of said like hes intresting and stuff like i want him back so i will be the perosn who unravels his fate and stuff

vrykyl · Post by **vrykyl** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:52 pm

I definitely wouldn't want to play as Revan again either. That was a good plot for the first one...but honestly, who wants to rehash a character you've already done? For that matter, no exile either, it's already a done deal. I'm positive that if they put Revan or the exile in KOTOR III they'll just have an outside role. Either they'll be somone you get quests from, or someone you fight against. They can only do so many memory loss games.

Kaja Sinis · Post by **Kaja Sinis** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:34 am

OK I'm going to have to play the advocate role here.

I'm forced to disagree with many of you. T3-M4 plays the R2-D2 role, as the only one who really knows what the hell is actually going on, always. I also agree that HK-47 was probably deactivated by Revan himself. The whole abandoned Ebon Hawk thing in the beginning of KOTOR II was outright shady. And as for the droid matter, I liked how they brought T3 and HK back. It gave the familiarity and nostalgia of playing the first KOTOR. What if they replaced the droids in every of the 6 movie episodes? It would ruin the whole saga. Without R2, everyone was screwed. The droids and their "personalities" are important to Star Wars continuity. As for playing as Revan, I think it would present the same nostalgic, familiar KOTOR vibe that would give everyone goosebumps. Like many of you have said, Revan's story was entirely compelling, and I would hate to miss the opportunity to join his quest in the Outer Rim first hand. I also believe the Exile should return. Why? Because both the Exile and Revan are described repeatedly as "echoes in the Force" in K II; neither of them True Jedi even on a LS path. There are also references of needing to have these echoes silenced so that there may be balance. I see a huge conflict extending beyond the single True Sith threat in KOTOR III, involving other Dark Jedi masterminds of the Force, seeking Revan and the Exile to end them. How would they do it with both characters being all powerful? They would of course have to incorporate other characters as well, who could take turns with their own twists and turns in the plot as to where your main character would vary in parts of the game. Perhaps Carth learns the ways of the Force and leads a particular mission? Maybe the Handmaiden, who has sworn allegiance to the Exile, tags along to share the ways of the Force to her own party members accompanying her on her role in the story, and so on. Eventually I think that these band of "other" characters would be the Lost Jedi, and the beginning of the restoration of the Order, on a quest to trace Revan's footsteps only to discover him towards the later part of the story, with the Exile close behind, both excelled in combat and the Force. What's so wrong about meeting up with characters that are already powerfully leveled up? RPGs have been doing that since early Final Fantasy titles.

Macen Press · Post by **Macen Press** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:52 am

I agree about not playing Revan or Exile but i would like to see it starting off in an academy. But not Necessarily as a child but a advanced padawan. Or something a long the lines of that.

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:16 pm

actually ithink i may of figured out why we want revan back okay then to be honest the first kotor rules and the second one really sucked (storyline wise)
and kotor 1 story rules (i think this)and i think some of us compared the two together and because the storys are based right around the main characters like in most games but we compared them and thought wow revan it so much better than the exile! and thought that if revan comes back it would be a good story?

and also i never really had rpgs until i got kotor 1 and like in most of the other games i have you return at the same person so i was used to that and thought that would happen with kotor and like in MGS series the second one sucked thanks to that damn raiden character but im getting off the point but like the third one made up for it and it was the same character in the third one and i tihnk it made it good you proably dont know what im on about but some of you may but one last thing the jak and daxter series all of them were good because they had the same characters i think if once you have liked the first game and then they changed the character in the next one you miss him in away do any of you know what i mean?

so basically if you like the character in the first the time he comes back is good again and if they change him its not good anymmore

Kaja Sinis · Post by **Kaja Sinis** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:20 pm

Tj made my point in a more abstract way. We want Revan back because it gives us closure, comfort, and contentment.

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:11 pm

Well, having revan back would not change anything at all. T3-M4 and HK-47 were there beacuse they had some signifigance to the plot, and had a tie to the exile, via Kriea. Having revan back would mean less action, less of your char being the best. Having revan back would be horrible. Most people don't like to play as characters that they have allready played as. Its not fun at all. T3 and HK had a reason for being there. Go ahead and say Revan does also, but revan is to great of a character to be played as.

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:32 am

@ Kaja Sinis : yes thanks you understood me not many people do thank you lol

@ Darth Zenemij: well i guess i do see why you dont want revan back after seeing the other posts but like i said before i think the storyline will be like safe and good with revan back and i guess thats why i want him back (i meant to say imply that)

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:42 am

but also i think many of us like unraveling the story line for the character is that why you dont wanna be himbecause you've learned his story and background people? but if you ask me 'theres still milk in the star wars knights of the old republic revan teet and im offering you all to suck it with me and find out whats in there?' (stolen from MTV movie awards the quotation thing but i replaced some words)

Macen Press · Post by **Macen Press** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:06 am

I also diidnt do rpgs until kotor and i wont play any other rpg apart from kotor series but i would also like to see planets which look abit more bright because alot of the worlds on kotor 2 are quite gloomy.

Jedi Thomas · Post by **Jedi Thomas** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:22 pm

I would like to see Revan back

I would like to see Revan Back but not as a main character. In my mind one the Kotor's should be to find Revan and confront or atleast weaken what ever he went off in search of.

I have seen people saying they would like to play as the Exile again. I dont I dont see whats so exciting about a lone exjedi who runs from place to place. What story line could you have with him. I suppose you could have him go insearch of Revan but I honestly would rather hear that the Exile reunited the remaining Jedi and rebuilt the Academy on Dantoonie. I really loved Dantoonie from Kotor I. Everything seemed alot more beautiful and it looked like alot more detail went into it.

I think who ever the Main character is for Kotor III it should be someone who knew Revan in some way but not Revan himself or the Exile.

Elias De vere · Post by **Elias De vere** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:16 pm

I reckon the new game if there is one should be about another totally different Jedi, who left the order after the star forge, and is returning to discover what happened to the Jedi. It finds the wreckage of the ebon hawk on a distant planet, with a damaged droid inside (T3). the hero activates the droid and asks what happened to it. the first part of the game is to repair the hawk. 2nd part to find revan and the exile if they are alive. as soon as you find the two missing heroes, you head to dantoine, where bastilla and any surving members of the original game are waiting, and the truth outs. it then turns out you are actually a mythical jedi super being who can either destroy the world or unite it in peace. sith attack and you and the 2 heroes escape. BTW revan is wearing mask and exile is hideously disfigured. 3rd part is discovering your destiny and final part involves a discovery of a huge facility underground called the earth forge, and you must either destroy it or save it from the sith.