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Earthquake hits Haiti

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As probably everyone knows, a huge 7.0 Earthquake hit Haiti, and estimates of the deaths are close to 100,000 already. There's massive chaos in the streets as the survivors are trying to, well, keep surviving. I thought I'd start a thread about it.

Here's some links about it so far:

[url="http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/13/haiti.earthquake/index.html"]CNN[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34829978/ns/world_news-americas/?GT1=43001"]MSNBC[/url]

[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8456819.stm"]BBC[/url]

[url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/haiti-a-nation-in-ruins-crying-for-help/article1430454/"]The Globe and Mail[/url]

Also, being Canadian, here's a clip of Canada's Governor-General, who was born in Haiti. She breaks down into tears and has difficulty getting through the statement. [url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/jean-responds-to-quake/article1430138/"]Michaelle Jean on the Earthquake in Haiti.[/url]

Additionally, here's some ways to help out:

The Red Cross:
[url="http://www.redcross.org/"]American[/url]
[url="http://www.redcross.ca/article.asp?id=000005&tid=003"]Canadian[/url]
Sorry, don't have links for other countries...

Also, texting "HAITI" to 90999 will give $10 to the Red Cross, charged to your phone bill. (This is confirmed and real.)

Comments? Links?

Sad day, indeed. :(
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I heard earlier Keith Olberman reporting (and including) segments from Limbaugh and Pat Robertson on the Haiti earthquake--Limbaugh making political capital and racist humor out of it, Robertson claiming it was an "act of God" in revenge for making "a deal with Satan." Olberman sometimes goes over the top in his moral repugnance, but I think he was dead on in this case.
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Pat Robertson's lunacy--claiming that the Haitiian slaves revolting against their French owners in the 18th century was a "pact with Satan," leading to all the crime, poverty, earthquakes, etc, since--has provoked one writer to respond as follows--in devilish persona:

Dear Pat Robertson,

I know that you know that all press is good press, so I appreciate the shout-out. And you make God look like a big mean bully who kicks people when they are down, so I’m all over that action. But when you say that Haiti has made a pact with me, it is totally humiliating. I may be evil incarnate, but I’m no welcher.

The way you put it, making a deal with me leaves folks desperate and impoverished. Sure, in the afterlife, but when I strike bargains with people, they first get something here on earth — glamour, beauty, talent, wealth, fame, glory, a golden fiddle. Those Haitians have nothing, and I mean nothing. And that was before the earthquake.

Haven’t you seen "Crossroads"? Or "Damn Yankees"? If I had a thing going with Haiti, there’d be lots of banks, skyscrapers, SUVs, exclusive night clubs, Botox — that kind of thing. An 80 percent poverty rate is so not my style. Nothing against it — I’m just saying: Not how I roll.

You’re doing great work, Pat, and I don’t want to clip your wings — just, come on, you’re making me look bad. And not the good kind of bad. Keep blaming God. That’s working. But leave me out of it, please. Or we may need to renegotiate your own contract.

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I've never believed in a god. And after this earthquake, I'm certain of it.

Have you seen the international response to this incident? People love Haitians. Basically good people who have less than nothing and absolutely no future in the New World Order. No resources, no capital, no hope.

So what happens to these poor unfortunate souls? They get rocked by Armageddon. It looks like an H-bomb went off in that city. Hundreds of thousands slaughtered in horrible fashion instantly, or entombed, or maimed. Oh ya, I forgot the best part! ...the survivors are left to squirm in agony with heinous injuries while aid and basic care is teased but ultimately denied to them.

And what's better than culling the innocent? Let's kill hundreds of selfless foreigners in that country who were there for only one reason...to try an help these people.

Pat Robertson and all of his kind are pure evil. And Rush Limbaugh is a degenerate.

This event is tragic, in many many respects. That is my opinion on the matter. I am not trying to preach or get you to agree, but that is my belief.
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RPGguy wrote:I've never believed in a god. And after this earthquake, I'm certain of it.
But without meaning any disrespect, what does an earthquake have to do with believing or not believing in a god? Who says a deity has to step in and act like Superman? This is probably meat for another thread, but as a general rule, only a very few deities get involved on that physical miracle-working level, or have their writings declared literal truth. I don't see why the early, most annoying version of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic model has to be the one all others fit. "Hey, Ganesha--if you can't save my home, you're not real!" ;)
Pat Robertson and all of his kind are pure evil. And Rush Limbaugh is a degenerate.
Now there, we are in complete agreement. :)
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I'm listening to the survivors tell their tale. And I'm listening to relatives tell their stories about missing loved ones. And I'm listening those who are uninvolved, but who are sympathetic. Over and over again, I'm hearing things like...

"I prayed to god that he would keep me stay alive until help came"

or...

"Our family is praying hard that she will be found"

or

"We pray for the people of Haiti during this difficult time"

Over and over again to the point where my eyes start to hurt from all the rolling back into my skull they are doing. I scream to the TV "if god has the power or willingness to hear and answer your prayers, you should ask him/her/it about that nasty 7.0 first". Is he/she/it done chuckling yet?

And were they asleep when someone told them about how the earth's crust is a series of plates that have been constantly shifting against one another for the law few thousand millennia? Seriously, the ignorance and hypocrisy is shocking.

Just because 90+ percent of the planet believes in a deity, it doesn't mean that numbers are evidence of truth. Like the stock market, 90% of the population is in fact blind and 'mooing' in the wrong direction.

I am extremely saddened by this event and my cynicism is in full force right now. I'm usually not this bad. I'm also angry that this overwhelming reference to god as a possible savior, despite the fact that he/she/it picked on the least capable and deserving folk in the world. I mean where is the 7.0 to rock that sewer of Los Angeles into the ocean? Or how about under Wall Street? There's a good spot! How about under the Kremlin? Sudan is a cesspool of extremism, lawlessness and oppression, how about there?

I agree with you fable in the sense that that the only definition of 'god' that can possibly remain after this is the one that doesn't intervene or make himself, herself, itself known. I am perfectly comfortable allowing that and knowing that he/she/it will continue to allow anything and everything, even if we want to nuke each other and take all of the natural world with us.

Which mean he/she/it doesn't care. At all. Which means he/she/it isn't worthy of human worship. Which means there are a boatload of Bibles and other religious texts that were printed for absolutely no reason except to give people fake reasons to secure power and hate one another for opposing views and seriously distract their hopes/attentions.

I wish that people could come to mass realization under situations like this. Then there might be greater inclination to understand that we only have one another and a greater inclination to simply roll up your sleeves and actively help one another, cause that's all we got. That's all the help that is on the way.

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RPGguy wrote:Just because 90+ percent of the planet believes in a deity, it doesn't mean that numbers are evidence of truth.
Nuance, please. 90% of humanity believes in everything from a single, anthropomorphic god to an intelligent spirit that inhabits us all, to a non-intelligent but alive spirit that inhabits us all, to a force that cannot be understood, to a multitude of gods.

You're superimposing the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god on all those people who don't believe it, and who happen to form the majority of people who believe in some form of deity(ies). Those people don't expect a god or gods to come rushing to the rescue on some giant white horse. That's not what they're around, for. I would add myself to that number, by the way, and have noted this repeatedly in the past.
I agree with you fable in the sense that that the only definition of 'god' that can possibly remain after this is the one that doesn't intervene or make himself, herself, itself known. I am perfectly comfortable allowing that and knowing that he/she/it will continue to allow anything and everything, even if we want to nuke each other and take all of the natural world with us.
Right: we're in charge of what we do, and we can't pass the responsibility off to some anti-deity. Nor can we expect rescue from some deity. Why should we?
Which mean he/she/it doesn't care. At all. Which means he/she/it isn't worthy of human worship.
So you're saying that the only god that exists is one who sees everything just as we do, follows the same logic, and will rescue us all the time? That sounds very similar to a Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, again, but why should the rest of us who have beliefs but don't accept this kind of god, do so?

And if a god or gods isn't supposed to rescue humanity from earthquakes, or plague, or starvation, then why should they be denied worship for not achieving what they never intended to do? That's like criticizing King Lear because it doesn't make you laugh.

As for worship: worship needn't follow a Judeo-Christian-Islamic model, and it need not be intended for a god who acts as Superman. From my personal perspective, there aren't any gods who ever act like this, or have ever promised to do so. **** happens. The gods help us in a variety of ways, including dealing with suffering, but they don't prevent it, anymore than they weigh in on one side or another in battle--unless it's a god associated with a particular group of people. Like Yahweh, the old tribal storm god. And those are usually not very nice ones, if you get my meaning.

Of course, I'm not suggesting you believe as I do. I'm just asking you to consider the possibility that gods exist and are worshipped completely outside a standard monotheistic pattern.
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This, by the way, pleases me to no end.
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Excellent argument fable. The doll (with related comments) caused me to crack a grin.

In the interests of not taking this debate to highly complex levels (I don't have the time/energy because I am building BG3 remember :laugh :) and I don't want to offend anyone any further than I might have already.

Let me just say I prefer the gods of D&D and other mythologies. They actually showed up personally when they smote your village. And you could kill them by ignoring them. :cool:
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Look, Natural Disasters are the main reason why I don't believe that there is aperson up ther who controls everything here on earth. He CANNOT make/let this happen to his own creations! :eek: That's ridiculous! Then God would be no better than Satan. I don't believe that there is a force either, but I can imagine.

(I don't want to offend people who blindly believe in God, or make them an atheïst like me, least what I want actually, but this just how I think about it.)
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Revan1993 wrote:Look, Natural Disasters are the main reason why I don't believe that there is aperson up ther who controls everything here on earth. He CANNOT make/let this happen to his own creations! :eek: That's ridiculous! Then God would be no better than Satan. I don't believe that there is a force either, but I can imagine.
You should read up further in a thread just a bit before posting. But if you don't want to, hey, that's your business. ;)
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This is just terrible, thousands of people dead in one of the poorest countries. And then Satan's favored, Pat Robertson, putting his views, and twisted representation of facts in the mix. And now these 6.0 aftershocks... I too am confused to why people pray to god.
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I have seen in the news that those who are dead are burned in streets only. I feel bad about them .I am glad that a lot of countries are helping them now. I just hope more help would come there way
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