HP Calculation

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:15 am

http://playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index ... Barbarians
I confirmed that table with ToB manual.

Would like to confirm that each protagonist gets his hd (10 warrior, 4 wizard) as an unstated bonus, maybe I'm missing something though. Confirmation would be great.

As testcases I have maxlevel fighter, paladin, wizard.
All new SoA characters, CLUAConsoled to max level and Shadowkeepered to 25con.

http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/index_tips.php
SoA manual page 117 has a table for the effects of constitution.
On 25 constitution it states: +2(+7). I'm told this means +2 per level for non warriors and +7 for warriors.
So at 25 constitutiona fighter should have a 9d10+93+9*7 = 246
I tried to confirm that and I ended up with 256 HP, hmm.

Interestingly shadowkeeper says I have 193 base hp. When it should be 9d10+93=183?
There's the missing +10, don't know where that came from. Trying paladin.

9d10+75+9*7=228
Base HP in Shadowkeeper is 175. Total hp in game with 25 con 238.
We're again missing 10 hp.

10d4+21+10*2=81
Base HP in Shadowkeeper is 65. Total hp in game with 25 con 85.
We're missing 4 hp.

Must mean each character get his his HD (fighter/paladin 10, wizard 4) as a bonus on top of all stated calculations. Is that what this is?

EDIT: For the record, running Ascenion/Weidu. No other mods and latest patches.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:58 am

This may be related to something else I see here.

Raising a Wizards Con from 6 to 8 through draw upon holy might results in a hp increase. According to the manual HP should not increase until you reach 15 Con, where you gain +1 modifier.

What a mess, does anyone know the correct calculation?

Stworca · Post by **Stworca** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:10 am

I only know that Mage & Sorc get a bonus at 16, and after that, they get none (thus having 17 or 18 con as those classes is wasting stat points)

These classes also receive con hp bonus only for the first X levels, afterwards its always just +base.

So yes, it's quite a mess.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:49 am

Still don't have the answer, but beginning to suspect characters may receive additional hp depending on how far their constitution is between 3-25 and based on their hd (12,10,8 or 4).

Will test if I have time later tonight, still hoping someone has the answer and/or I'm overlooking something basic.

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:18 am

I seem to recall that you get HP according to the table in the manual, but afterwards, you get fixed HP + CON bonus. (You're supposed to only get fixed HP.)
I may be messing up my Infinity Engine games...

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:24 pm

As I hope you can both see my calculations come from those tables don't equal the result I see in game =/

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:26 pm

AvatarOfLight wrote:This may be related to something else I see here.

Raising a Wizards Con from 6 to 8 through draw upon holy might results in a hp increase. According to the manual HP should not increase until you reach 15 Con, where you gain +1 modifier.

What a mess, does anyone know the correct calculation?

Isn't that because of the negative HP you get from such a low CON? The spell takes you of the negatives, so you get extra HP?

I have no idea about the extra 10 HP. During gameplay, I noticed that I always got the "legitimate" amount of HP.

giosanti · Post by **giosanti** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:39 pm

You get more HP when you raise constitution from 6 because 6CON and below has a constitution penalty. 3CON has a -2 penatly, and 4-6CON has a -1 penalty.

As for the issue with the additional 10hp, yes, in this game you are given additional HP for some reason. Warriors get an additional 10, Priests/Monks 8, Rogues 6, and Wizards 4. Don't know why that is. That doesn't happen in BG1.

Stworca · Post by **Stworca** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:59 pm

Perhaps it's a base for playable characters, so that players have an extra edge over enemy npc's?

QuenGalad · Post by **QuenGalad** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:17 pm

Your max hp can also be influenced by difficulty when starting the game.

I know it sounds silly, but that's how it is. A couple years ago, I was living with my now-ex who hated BG. He really did, and one time he wanted to play it, so he could prove to me at first hand how stupid the game was. He started on higher difficulty than me, and his character had a few hp less than mine. He went berserk because of that, assuming it was because my pc was female (don't ask

) and tested the issue extensively. Turned out you have a hp bonus if you start on easiest difficulty. He also made some other discoveries on the subject, but frankly I don't remember them now.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:23 pm

giosanti wrote:You get more HP when you raise constitution from 6 because 6CON and below has a constitution penalty. 3CON has a -2 penatly, and 4-6CON has a -1 penalty.

Are you certain about this?
According to the manual 3-5 CON has the penalty. Regardless, according to the manual raising CON from 6 to 14 offers no benefit, when ingame it clearly does.

giosanti wrote:As for the issue with the additional 10hp, yes, in this game you are given additional HP for some reason. Warriors get an additional 10, Priests/Monks 8, Rogues 6, and Wizards 4. Don't know why that is. That doesn't happen in BG1.

Thank you very much for that confirmation, it was driving me nuts

QuenGalad wrote:Your max hp can also be influenced by difficulty when starting the game.

It seems I neglected to mention this, thank you, but I am aware. These tests were all done on the easiest difficult. Low difficulty insures you don't roll for 1d* for your HP, but simply get the max.

Stworca · Post by **Stworca** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:25 pm

QuenGalad wrote: my now-ex

What happened?

who hated BG.

Oh, the foul bastard! I hope that you kicked him in the crotch!

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And yes, the difficulty DOES affect hp. I forgot about that.

giosanti · Post by **giosanti** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:49 pm

AvatarOfLight wrote:Are you certain about this?
According to the manual 3-5 CON has the penalty. Regardless, according to the manual raising CON from 6 to 14 offers no benefit, when ingame it clearly does.

No I wasn't certain but I just tested quickly, and I am now

. The BG2 manual is wrong, which is weird because the BG1 manual has the correct info.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:51 pm

giosanti wrote:No I wasn't certain but I just tested quickly, and I am now . The BG2 manual is wrong, which is weird because the BG1 manual has the correct info.

Epic timing good sir, I too just tested it and you're right.
It seems I have my answers.

Don't know where the mystery hp come from, but at least I can theocraft and reproduce, you have my thanks!

Ode to a Grasshopper · Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:05 pm

QuenGalad wrote:I know it sounds silly, but that's how it is. A couple years ago, I was living with my now-ex who hated BG. He really did, and one time he wanted to play it, so he could prove to me at first hand how stupid the game was. He started on higher difficulty than me, and his character had a few hp less than mine. He went berserk because of that, assuming it was because my pc was female (don't ask ) and tested the issue extensively. Turned out you have a hp bonus if you start on easiest difficulty. He also made some other discoveries on the subject, but frankly I don't remember them now.

:laugh:

QuenGalad · Post by **QuenGalad** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:12 am

Stworca wrote:What happened?

I know this is very off topic, but I think you guys will find it hilarious.

A lot of things happened, actually, but The Baldur's Gate Issue was the cherry on top of the cake:
After about a year of constant nagging about me playing the same (stupid) game many times (which is stupid), and generally complaining about a game he hasn't played, Andy decided he will, to strenghten his cause.
We hit the hp thing right at the start: I've just rolled a female paladin, and he a berserker (how fitting) and wham! She has more hp than him.

Cue 40 minutes of angry monologue on how this proves the game favours female gamers, because (he reasoned) any game that requires you to read dialogue and talk with party members, maybe even listen to what they say (gasp!) could in no way ever appeal to manly men such as him. Especially with no nudity and suchlike. The game is therefore as idiotic as any C-grade chick flick or harlequin novel and my playing it finally proves my intellectual inferiority.
At which point I called my chums from the fantasy convention, we went out to a bar and laughed our heads off for 4 hours. I've never had so much free beer in my life

A for the additional hit points, I think Stworca might be onto something. We do know some monsters have their hp lowered in comparison with the rules, so the PC might have them augmented. The Child of Bhaal is special, after all.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:41 am

This guy must've had quite the redeeming qualities to end up with him in the first place?

Anyway, this saga is surely worth coming back to time and again <3

I guess you're right about Bhaalspawn specialness as a reason for a bonus HD of HP. I'd have a hard time calculating if NPCs get this bonus as well as there aren't any lvl 1 references. I'd still like to know whether you get a random HD (say 1d10) or plainly 10, but it's ultimately irrelevant as I go for max rolls anyway.

Another thing I'm curious about though is whether or not a character imported from BG1 gets this bonus. If not, then it might be considered a small compensation for not having the tome bonuses, let's face it, those are considerable.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:20 am

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Seems like some people consider the extra hp a bug.
Thoughts anyone?

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:43 am

I can confirm that imported characters do not receive the bonus HD of HP. This means tomes and the bonus HP are mutually exclusive.

Still, it's a nice bonus if you want to play a half-orc, barbarian, monk or smth and you didn't use tutu.

Darth Malignus · Post by **Darth Malignus** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:20 pm

QuenGalad wrote:I know this is very off topic, but I think you guys will find it hilarious.

A lot of things happened, actually, but The Baldur's Gate Issue was the cherry on top of the cake:
After about a year of constant nagging about me playing the same (stupid) game many times (which is stupid), and generally complaining about a game he hasn't played, Andy decided he will, to strenghten his cause.
We hit the hp thing right at the start: I've just rolled a female paladin, and he a berserker (how fitting) and wham! She has more hp than him.

Cue 40 minutes of angry monologue on how this proves the game favours female gamers, because (he reasoned) any game that requires you to read dialogue and talk with party members, maybe even listen to what they say (gasp!) could in no way ever appeal to manly men such as him. Especially with no nudity and suchlike. The game is therefore as idiotic as any C-grade chick flick or harlequin novel and my playing it finally proves my intellectual inferiority.
At which point I called my chums from the fantasy convention, we went out to a bar and laughed our heads off for 4 hours. I've never had so much free beer in my life

A for the additional hit points, I think Stworca might be onto something. We do know some monsters have their hp lowered in comparison with the rules, so the PC might have them augmented. The Child of Bhaal is special, after all.

What a prat. Every man should have a girlfriend who plays BG. Well, except me, I suppose. I'd probably end up stashing her corpse in the closet after the inevitable fight to the death over the discs.