Paladins and Alignment

Thehalfelf · Post by **Thehalfelf** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:57 am

What happens if a Paladin chooses a evil path in hell? Can he end up with lawful evil alignment?

ltldrgn1 · Post by **ltldrgn1** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 12:40 pm

As I understand it (never tried it myself) you do turn evil but you lose your paladin status and all of the abilities.

Jelctu · Post by **Jelctu** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:17 pm

you become neutral evil
you dont lose paladin abilities

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:17 pm

Um... afraid not. You become neutrel evil, and Rangers and Paladins become Fallen (basicly normal fighters). They lose their abilities.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:28 pm

But beiing a "Fallen paladin" sounds so much cooler then "Fighter".

Ben_Albright · Post by **Ben_Albright** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:50 pm

But if you do become a "Fallen" Ranger of Paladin, and become a fighter, are you trully a fighter? i.e. Can you have 5 slot specialisation?

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:08 pm

Good question. Since you become a regular fighter, I believe you could...
I think I might try that out.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:11 pm

IIRC, you can't.

Silvanerian · Post by **Silvanerian** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:47 am

You can't - I tried.

Also, in the unpatched game, you wouldn't become "fallen", just evil. It was quite funny actually, as I didn't know my paladin had become evil the first time (killed the dragon), and I thought "what the f*** is going on!?" when I casted "detect evil" and my own character highlighted..

-Syl.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 4:17 am

but you can using sk, create agoody goody paladin, and sk into chaotic evil, hey if you trun undead, will you commit suicide? evil clerics can turn paladins....

image, you have this paladin, with holy avenger no less, yes, it would obey a evil paladin, and he turns undead, and forgets he is palsdin, so immediate chunk!!!!

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Sat Mar 23, 2002 6:12 am

as a fallen paladin, you'll lose lay on hands etc. but you retain all the paladin bonuses - eg. amazing saving throws.

So, becoming fallen just means you lose your special spell abiltites.

Loki

Blastaz · Post by **Blastaz** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:16 am

Interesting User... well I did a little, very primative, experimentation using sk and a multi tob game...
1 Paladin doesnt gib self, as evil cleric he controls undead so he would then be able to order himself about
2 Paladin controls his, still, goodie-goodie friends, or sometimes, when they were lvl 1 makes them run around in fear but no gibing unfortunatly...
3 Paladin does control rather than destroy plain, vanilla undead

Although I have yet to take my member of the Most Noble Order of the Radiant Heart into her guildhall and unleash hell

Cedden · Post by **Cedden** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:18 pm

OOOO MY GOD !!!! NOW I HAVE A RESON TO PLAY TOB ALL OVER AGAIN !!!!

So if I gett you guys right I can play a fallen paladin and still level up ? I dident belive that was possibul? has anyone checkt if ist the same for the druids and rangers?

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:51 pm

A fallen druid? That sounds funny.

CrownHead · Post by **CrownHead** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:42 pm

Druids are nuetral, what are they gonna be, Chaotic Evil and Lawful Good at the same time?

The paladin doesn't lose turn undead as a fallen paladin? What about an inquisitor? Does he lose dispel magic and stuff? And what about rangers? Do stalkers lose their backstab?

Wow, I always thought it would be cool to have a fallen pladin that dind't suck. God, it just fits that story line so much better, you know, goodie two shoes in BG then finds out his true power and becomes a fallen paladin.

Link · Post by **Link** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:09 am

Want to become an evil-paladin? Play the slightly overpowered anti-paladin kit in Weimer's Tactic's Mod.

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:45 am

Originally posted by CrownHead
Druids are nuetral, what are they gonna be, Chaotic Evil and Lawful Good at the same time?

I can just see it now: a druid being deprived of his powers and cast out of the Order, because he "does" lunch with the forces of good and evil, both eager to recruit him.

Wow, I always thought it would be cool to have a fallen pladin that dind't suck. God, it just fits that story line so much better, you know, goodie two shoes in BG then finds out his true power and becomes a fallen paladin.

I never got the sense that your hero was a goodie type in BG. True, unlike the Troika-developed games (Fallout 1/2, Arcanum), you can't really pursue a fully alternative, evil path, but there are a few options to play evil in quests; and you could always take a break from doing good in BG by killing a peasant, or steal regularly from merchants. Your party could be evil and your reputation in tatters, but still you could win the game.

Eriks · Post by **Eriks** » Thu May 01, 2003 10:15 pm

I always play the game as if I myself was the main character. Most fun for me that way otherwise I have a hard time "immersing" myself in the game.