Elder Scrolls prequels - Where to find?

Demis · Post by **Demis** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 8:33 am

I have been on the lookup for the previous Elder scrolls games, and i could only find daggerfall at ebay but international bids were not accepted. Do you know some e-stores that sell used games other than eBay? I know the games are too old but i hate starting a game without playing its prequels and would like to play them.
I could buy a new copy but it's impossible to find a game that was released several years ago. Thanks

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 9:31 am

Really? I"m amazed it's no longer being sold. Try Moby Games, here: http://www.mobygames.com/game/will_trade/gameId,778/ I can't vouch for any sales through the place, never having used them, but still, it's something.

Demis · Post by **Demis** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:44 pm

Yes, even Bethesda web-store no longer lists daggerfall, hopefully i will find one.

Thanks fable.

Post by **BuckGB** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:15 pm

Daggerfall and Arena are both considered abandonware nowadays. You used to be able to download it for free from Home of the Underdogs (legally), but I think they closed up shop.

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 8:12 pm

Underdogs has changed addresses, @Buck. Here's the new address: http://www.the-underdogs.org/ However, they aren't offering either of the earlier two games in the series. They link for downloads directly to Bethesda Softworks.

Demis · Post by **Demis** » Wed May 01, 2002 5:38 am

I have also searched the Underdogs to see if the games have been "abandon" but as fable stated they direct you to bethesda so my guess was that the games were still for sale which are not as far as i can tell. But if Buck says are abandonware i should be able to find them somewhere.

BTW: There are a couple of used copies over @Moby Games but is seems that my english detrayed me. What does "near mint"means????

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed May 01, 2002 7:59 am

"Mint" means that the condition is so good, it appears as though newly purchased. "Near mint" means very close to that, or in other words, in excellent shape.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Wed May 01, 2002 8:01 am

demis,

near mint means that the games are almost in perfect shape. this would include the cd, documentation, and probably the original box the game shaped with. This classification, near mint , is more commonly used on a scale with the likes of sports cards or stamp collecting. Here is a little elaboration:

mint - good as new
near mint - almost good as new
excellent - doesn't quite look brand new but has few signs of use
very good - just not excellent
good - definite signs of wear and use, manual may be complete although a few pages may be unbound, perhaps the packaging got spilled on
fair - pages from the manual may be missing, original packaging damaged badly, you are at your own risk with the media as it may be worn or damaged
poor - why sell it????

hope this helps.

fable beat me to it.

Demis · Post by **Demis** » Wed May 01, 2002 9:44 am

Strange ... i had a feeling that it meant something bad

The synonyms in Word couldn't clarify that but you did guys

thanks.

Update: It seems that the games are not abandonware yet or have been but because of the release of Morrowind they might have given second thoughts, as if they are planning for a collection of all the elder scrolls games. I contact (via email) Bethesda and ask them about it and if it's possible to get them. I'll let you know what's the case about this matter soon.

free · Post by **free** » Wed May 01, 2002 10:04 am

reguard and battlespire are here

these two gamesbelow.
both are from bethsoft/bethseda.

http://www.rochnet.net/

Elder Scrolls Battlespire
DOS 95/98
Battlespire fuses the richness and depth of fantasy role-playing with the furious game play of 3D action games. Featuring a dark and sinister style unlike any other game, Battlespire will stun you with its ferocious yet magnificent graphic splendor in full hi-res and hi-color. Absolutely fantastic gaming experience.
Click Here For More Information

Price: $9.99

Elder Scrolls Redguard
Windows 95/98/ME
The Elders Scrolls Redguard is a role playing adventure like no other featuring several races of creatures with their own distinct looks and accents. The box calls this game world a "living 3D world", and that isn't very far off. The game world is created in great graphical detail. Definately a "keeper" and one of the finest games ever created for personal computers.
Click Here For More Information

$12.99

there. I just ordered them myself!!

arena and daggerfall are the other better known ones...
????

freestone

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed May 01, 2002 10:19 am

Glad to see that.

Although I wouldn't be surprised, if Morrowind takes off, to see Bethesda Softworks reissue the earlier two games as a low-priced twofer. Mind, there's no comparison, IMO, between the sheer gameplay of the third, and that of its predecessors.

acuoio · Post by **acuoio** » Wed May 01, 2002 10:44 am

Too bad you didn't post this a month ago before I threw my copy of Daggerfall away. I too wanted to play the prequels before I played Morrowind...that lasted all of about an hour. First of all, Daggerfall is a DOS based game that can only run on Win98 or less. Second, even on a fast machine it runs really slow. Anyways, after playing for about a few hours, I got really bored. One of the problems with Daggerfall was its gigantic world...which means tons of walking. If you came into a big city and wanted to head to the fighter's guild, it would literally take you 5 minutes of pressing the arrow key just to walk the other side of the city (when you get a horse, you can go faster).

Well, to make you feel better, Morrowind isn't actually a sequel to Daggerfall, just another game that happens to take place in the same world. Bethesda spoke about this. Since Daggerfall is 8 years old, they didn't want the two games to be tied together too much. Trust me, you don't want to play Daggerfall. It was fun when it came out, but in this day, it's an incredibly bad game (poor graphics, poor sound, bad gui, etc).

Demis · Post by **Demis** » Wed May 01, 2002 11:27 am

@acuoio, i'm afraid this is not the case for me, i like playing old games and every once in a while i get back to them especially if some of the them are considered legends by now

. My system is always configured to support old games, and i would like to get a taste of the previous Elder Scrolls games though i have to confess that if it wasn't for morrowind i should probably never heard of them.

I'm a little confused however, it seems there are four elder scrolls games, arena and daggerfall are considered the prequels of Morrowind and the other two on the same line, am i right? The morrowind box states that (Europian version?)

And as always Morrowind will be in eupore in 2 weeks from now and it is published by Ubi Soft??

free · Post by **free** » Wed May 01, 2002 1:43 pm

premorrowind games

hi Demis!

yes i have read that too!

i have actually played a bit of both of them long ago.
battlespire.
redguard.
---i have read that one should actually play redguard before morrowind as there is info there about what is in morrowind.

battlespire deals with a mage tower, the soundefeects are near the same as daggerfall.

go to.....

http://m0use.net/~uesp/

read about both games and daggerfall and arena too, as well as morrowind and the morrowind forum that is much much bigger than this one, but it is slow.....

this site has the utter most about these two games, a page of info for both.

http://m0use.net

has the hosting, much much morrowind info there too!

remember that m0usenet has the ZERO for the "o"...typing a
alpahbethacal "O" will not work!!

freestone

T'lainya · Post by **T'lainya** » Wed May 01, 2002 3:05 pm

Originally posted by acuoio
First of all, Daggerfall is a DOS based game that can only run on Win98 or less. Second, even on a fast machine it runs really slow.

Hmm It runs fine on WindowsME for me, no slowing no problems. Patching the game is a must, but I've had no problems.

SloppyNuts · Post by **SloppyNuts** » Wed May 01, 2002 4:00 pm

WinME is basically a heavily modified win98 is why, i remember playing daggerfall in it just fine and most anything that says compatible with win98 will have the same with winme, though as for win xp or beyond is what he meant about past 98 which you CAN get to work though you have to download some patches and a sound thingy that i saw links to on a forum that got so big the moderators had to delete it, though i heard the links were back on the morrowind main forums if anybodys interested just go search for daggerfall there you ought to come up with 'em..

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed May 01, 2002 4:47 pm

Originally posted by Demis
I'm a little confused however, it seems there are four elder scrolls games, arena and daggerfall are considered the prequels of Morrowind and the other two on the same line, am i right?

Only two RPGs in the series. Bethesda Softworks tries to market other non-RPG titles as being part of the Elder Scrolls, but that's not how gamers think.

I, too, like the old DOS games. I'm still surprised nobody has tried to create a bigger, better Darklands--it remains innovative to this day in some respects. And from what I've heard, Master of Orion III has just lost most of its new features, as the publishers forced the developers to cut back. MOO II, for all its age, might have all the features of MOO III when the latter shows up this fall.

Post by **BuckGB** » Wed May 01, 2002 4:51 pm

Originally posted by fable
Underdogs has changed addresses, @Buck. Here's the new address: http://www.the-underdogs.org/ However, they aren't offering either of the earlier two games in the series. They link for downloads directly to Bethesda Softworks.

Thanks for the updated link, Fable. I know HOTU had Daggerfall up for download less than a year ago, but I suppose it's possible Bethesda contacted them and asked them to take it down if they are considering re-releasing it in a collection.

rarehero2k · Post by **rarehero2k** » Wed May 01, 2002 4:55 pm

I checked the website and it seems that Daggerfall is still up. When you guys are done with Morrowind, you might try Albion. That was a neat little console style PC RPG.

Demis · Post by **Demis** » Wed May 01, 2002 5:27 pm

Originally posted by fable

Only two RPGs in the series. Bethesda Softworks tries to market other non-RPG titles as being part of the Elder Scrolls, but that's not how gamers think.

I had thought so.

Originally posted by fable
I, too, like the old DOS games. I'm still surprised nobody has tried to create a bigger, better Darklands--it remains innovative to this day in some respects. And from what I've heard, Master of Orion III has just lost most of its new features, as the publishers forced the developers to cut back. MOO II, for all its age, might have all the features of MOO III when the latter shows up this fall.

Wow, Darklands , it's not long ago that i was playing this and with the 2 Darksuns games

. Maybe it's time to go back to an old game, now that Buck also brought back memories of the Ultima VII masterpiece. Check the news on Gamebanshee