Rapier is a medium weapon but it can be used as a light weapon for racial size medium and larger, as you all know. So when i dual-wield 2 rapiers and i am a ranger shouldnt i get -2 -2 penalty at level 1?
Additionally, im a level 4 fighter and level 1 ranger (planning to take 4 levels of fighter 16 levels of ranger) who dual-wields long sword and shortsword (since rapier didnt seem to function as a light weapon).
So: when im not wearing anything, do i get ranger dual-wield bonus as opposed to wearing light armor? Im using splint mail and low level but mainhand-offhand bonus doesnt seem to change when i take my armor off.
Another funny thing is, after i downloaded the 1.20 patch, my attack bonus changed from +1, +0 to +5, +3... did the rules change or what?
EDIT: bonus attack, not THAC0... better get used to NWN
Rapiers and Light Weapon
Rapiers and Light Weapon
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<<"Rapier is a medium weapon but it can be used as a light weapon for racial size medium and larger, as you all know. So when i dual-wield 2 rapiers and i am a ranger shouldnt i get -2 -2 penalty at level 1?"?>>
No. -2/-2 is only if the off hand weapon is a SMALL weapon. Rapier is not small, it's medium, so you would be at -4/-4. See my reply to the thread "Rogue/ranger equipment".
<<"Additionally, im a level 4 fighter and level 1 ranger (planning to take 4 levels of fighter 16 levels of ranger) who dual-wields long sword and shortsword (since rapier didnt seem to function as a light weapon).
So: when im not wearing anything, do i get ranger dual-wield bonus as opposed to wearing light armor? Im using splint mail and low level but mainhand-offhand bonus doesnt seem to change when i take my armor off.">>
If you have at least one ranger level and you are wearing light armor (or no armor) you will use the ranger Dual Wield feat, which is the equivalent of having the Ambidexterity and Two Weapon Fighting feats. However, unlike those two feats, the ranger Dual Wield feat does not work if you wear medium or heavy armor. I.e. you can only dual wield effectively wearing light or no armor.
<<"Another funny thing is, after i downloaded the 1.20 patch, my attack bonus changed from +1, +0 to +5, +3... did the rules change or what?">>
Don't know, sorry.
No. -2/-2 is only if the off hand weapon is a SMALL weapon. Rapier is not small, it's medium, so you would be at -4/-4. See my reply to the thread "Rogue/ranger equipment".
<<"Additionally, im a level 4 fighter and level 1 ranger (planning to take 4 levels of fighter 16 levels of ranger) who dual-wields long sword and shortsword (since rapier didnt seem to function as a light weapon).
So: when im not wearing anything, do i get ranger dual-wield bonus as opposed to wearing light armor? Im using splint mail and low level but mainhand-offhand bonus doesnt seem to change when i take my armor off.">>
If you have at least one ranger level and you are wearing light armor (or no armor) you will use the ranger Dual Wield feat, which is the equivalent of having the Ambidexterity and Two Weapon Fighting feats. However, unlike those two feats, the ranger Dual Wield feat does not work if you wear medium or heavy armor. I.e. you can only dual wield effectively wearing light or no armor.
<<"Another funny thing is, after i downloaded the 1.20 patch, my attack bonus changed from +1, +0 to +5, +3... did the rules change or what?">>
Don't know, sorry.
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Ok guys clarification. Definition of light weapon
Light weapon-And weapon one size category smaller than that of the character. Therefore all small weapons are light for medium characters, whereas only tiny weapons would be light for small characters.
The weapon finesse feat states that you can apply your dex bonus to attack rolls with any light weapon AND rapiers and a few other, for example spiked chains.
Therefore nowhere does it state that the rapier is a light weapon it is simply a medium sized weapon that can be used with weapon finesse. Hell although it would look funny a halfling could technically still apply weapon finesse to a rapier even though he would have to use it 2 handed since it is a size category larger than himself.
Even though the term is confusing weight has nothing to do with whether or not a weapon is light, for example a longsword made of mithral would weigh 3lbs but it still wont be a light weapon.
For means of 2 weapon fighting wielding 2 rapiers will always incur the standard -4/-4 penalties because you are weilding 2 medium weapons. The only bonus this has over weilding any 2 other medium weapons is that rapiers can be affected by weapon finesse.
Ok guys clarification. Definition of light weapon
Light weapon-And weapon one size category smaller than that of the character. Therefore all small weapons are light for medium characters, whereas only tiny weapons would be light for small characters.
The weapon finesse feat states that you can apply your dex bonus to attack rolls with any light weapon AND rapiers and a few other, for example spiked chains.
Therefore nowhere does it state that the rapier is a light weapon it is simply a medium sized weapon that can be used with weapon finesse. Hell although it would look funny a halfling could technically still apply weapon finesse to a rapier even though he would have to use it 2 handed since it is a size category larger than himself.
Even though the term is confusing weight has nothing to do with whether or not a weapon is light, for example a longsword made of mithral would weigh 3lbs but it still wont be a light weapon.
For means of 2 weapon fighting wielding 2 rapiers will always incur the standard -4/-4 penalties because you are weilding 2 medium weapons. The only bonus this has over weilding any 2 other medium weapons is that rapiers can be affected by weapon finesse.
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