C Elegans' couch

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:09 pm

Originally posted by Yshania
@CE *concerned expression* we must get to the root of this uprising. Shall we interrogate?

Absolutely - all degrees and types of physical pressure allowed during interrogation! ÖD

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:14 pm

Originally posted by Bloodstalker

ROFLMAO!!

That is the guiltiest expression I have seen in a long time!!

*takes out thumb screws and considers 'alternative therapy'*

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:16 pm

Please ladies, be gentle. Perhaps a show of compassion would be all it takes to nudge me back on the right track

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:17 pm

Originally posted by Bloodstalker

Please ladies, be gentle. Perhaps a show of compassion would be all it takes to nudge me back on the right track

Ok! *apologises first* this will hurt me more than it will hurt you!

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:24 pm

Well, I guess I have no choice but to submit.....

I've been a bad boy.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:29 pm

posted by BS
Please ladies, be gentle. Perhaps a show of compassion would be all it takes to nudge me back on the right track

What about a nudge with this chainsaw?

Originally posted by Yshania
*takes out thumb screws and considers 'alternative therapy'*

@Ysh ROFL

There is a well known "alternative therapy" from the 70's called Screaming therapy...the goal is to make the patient scream a lot, and finally a "primal scream" should provide a catharsis...I am sure there will be a lot of screaming...*takes out a gigantic "acupuncture" needle*

Nomer · Post by **Nomer** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:38 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans

There is a well known "alternative therapy" from the 70's called Screaming therapy...the goal is to make the patient scream a lot, and finally a "primal scream" should provide a catharsis...I am sure there will be a lot of screaming...*takes out a gigantic "acupuncture" needle*

What was the purpose for the "Screaming Therapy"?

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:40 pm

Scream Therapy sounds promising, but your methods of forcing me to scream are rather....severe, don't you think?

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:45 pm

@CE

Originally posted by Bloodstalker

Scream Therapy sounds promising, but your methods of forcing me to scream are rather....severe, don't you think?

*offers BS a comfortable cushion for his head*

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:47 pm

Originally posted by Nomer
What was the purpose for the "Screaming Therapy"?

A new client? Hehehe..you are most welcome here

aside to Nomer Seriously, the purpose of screaming therapy was to "cleanse" the patient from hidden, unconscious traumas experienced in childhood...it was based on an extremly popularised version of Freudian psychoanalytic theory, mixed with the general 1960's and 70's ideas how to become an independant and free person by expressing your feelings.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:53 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans

A new client? Hehehe..you are most welcome here

aside to Nomer Seriously, the purpose of screaming therapy was to "cleanse" the patient from hidden, unconscious traumas experienced in childhood...it was based on an extremly popularised version of Freudian psychoanalytic theory, mixed with the general 1960's and 70's ideas how to become an independant and free person by expressing your feelings.

Ho hum. I would rather take the vacant stare into space if that is an option!

Do you think that it works? How did they do this?

*back on subject* does it have to be acupuncture or can we load the hypodermic?

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:53 pm

What happens doesnt have many feelings to express? Are they not independant?

Nomer · Post by **Nomer** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:55 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans

A new client? Hehehe..you are most welcome here

aside to Nomer Seriously, the purpose of screaming therapy was to "cleanse" the patient from hidden, unconscious traumas experienced in childhood...it was based on an extremly popularised version of Freudian psychoanalytic theory, mixed with the general 1960's and 70's ideas how to become an independant and free person by expressing your feelings.

Client? No. It looks like you have enough already.

If the patient has this hidden unconscious trauma, how would they go about bringing it to the surface, hypnotizing??

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:58 pm

Posted by YSh *offers BS a comfortable cushion for his head*

Damn,,,,so tempting, but I am in enough trouble as it is whithout commenting on that one.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:18 pm

Originally posted by Yshania
*back on subject* does it have to be acupuncture or can we load the hypodermic?

The acupuncture needles are just an option - load the hypodermic up

We can make use of it all!

and the chainsaw...and the cattleprod...and the knives...

Serious part

by Ysh
Do you think that it works? How did they do this?

No, I don't think it works as psychotherapy, it may have some beneficial secondary effects (read: placebo) like people feeling better because they feel they have "done something" about their life and so on. Primal scream therapy was performed much like destructive cults break down new recruits: the clients had to go through a period of sleep and food deprivation, isolated in a room at a "clinic". After this, the "therapist" would work with suggestive talk methods and more or less implant false memories in the now weak and susceptible client. At the time, little was known about how implanting false memories and such things work, so the therapist actually believed in the method, it was not like a cult that tried to con money out of people.

In "ordinary" scream therapy (this was never big in Europe, but fairly popular in the US) people would gather for "week-end workshops", often at an isolated place like a house in the wilderness. These group sessions were led by one or more "therapists" that conjured up a lot of strong emotions in the group and encouraged them to scream and use the body to express things (ie lots of hugging, bashing things). Group psychology mechanisms are strong - it sounds crazy, but it's not so difficult to create a very intense emotional tension in a group of people who are willing to participate.

posted by Tybaltus
What happens doesnt have many feelings to express? Are they not independant?

Do you mean if people don't have a lot of feelings to express? Well, they would have been viewed as repressed, emotionally frozen and "closed" and as having extra bad need of releasing their "true emotions" by screaming. They would be viewed as less independant, since having a lot of repressed feelings would be equal to being governed by unconscious childhood traumas that made them act according to patterns that were set when these traumas occured.

posted by Nomer
If the patient has this hidden unconscious trauma, how would they go about bringing it to the surface, hypnotizing??

If a person has a real, unconscious trauma (very rare, but it can sometimes happen during special circumstances) there are serious psychotherapy methods that help people revive their memories with a minimum risk of planting false memories - the police somethis use psychologists for this.
Hypnosis is a method that is not supported by scientific, empirical studies - it works a lot better in novels and movies that it does in reality.

Nomer · Post by **Nomer** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:25 pm

Interesting. Thank you very much, C Elegans.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:49 pm

@Nomer: You are most welcome - and if you feel a need to lie down on my couch and reveal your inner thoughts, or if you just wants a quick electrocution from my pretty colleagues Ysh and Georgi, feel free to drop in any time

Scheduled appointments can also be booked by my Speedo-clad secretary mr Sleep.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 5:01 pm

Scheduled appointments can also be booked by my Speedo-clad secretary mr Sleep.

Nope. I think I will barge in whenever my heart desires!

Well, they would have been viewed as repressed, emotionally frozen and "closed" and as having extra bad need of releasing their "true emotions" by screaming.

It kind of reminds me of that 80's song by Tears for Fears called Shout Where they said, "Shout! Shout! Let it all out. These are the things we can deal without."

Sounds like pretty smart words, eh?

Well Ive got a question for you, CE: Do you think dreams are powerful enough to give you answers to true delemma's in life? I mean I have always been fascinated in dreams. I know there are metaphors for true life issues like drowning in a dream may signify a situation where youre over your head in work or other things. But can a dream solve a problem, rather than just illustrating it?

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 5:10 pm

Looks around, see's CE not here.....good.

Hangs up sign "Quack Back in House"

*makes mental note to take down sign before he leaves.*

Better get rid of those strait jackets too, just in case.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:28 pm

Originally posted by Yshania

Creep!

Tch, it's such a shame when some people just can't accept a compliment gracefully.

It appears you have interminably low self-esteem, dearest Yshania. Perhaps you should seek therapy, I'm sure CE would be happy to help.
Your cage is next to mine....