What is the best combination to dual wield?

bjorn · Post by **bjorn** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:57 am

I'm trying to figure out wich two weapons complement each other(in other words: What is the KILLERCOMBO!)
I know that Celestial Fury has to be one of them. I just can't seem to make up my mind for the other hand: Cromfaeyr, The Equalizer, Daystar, Zerth Blade and on and on. Any suggestions or tips are more than welcome. In return you can ask me about almost anything concerning the game.

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:09 pm

Cfayer and belm most damage

Zelgadis · Post by **Zelgadis** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 12:31 pm

CF and FoA are popular, i think. I've never tried them, seems to powerful

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 1:07 pm

My personnal favorite is Twinkle and Ice Brand.

bjornsemb · Post by **bjornsemb** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 1:53 pm

I usually use Celestial Fury and Belm with one fighter and Crom Faeyr and Flail of the Ages with another...

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 4:49 pm

There is no "Best" Combo, you have to define what you want to use it for. For Vampire slaying, Mace of Disruption +2 and the Equalizer RULE, making it perfect for a large part of the game. Longbows are also awesome if your say, an Archer. it's not just about the damage of a weapon, but what attributes they give you. I mean, CF is an awesome weapon, but useless if your fighting clay golems.

Armand121 · Post by **Armand121** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:15 pm

Celestial Fury and Adjatha the Drinker. Fury stuns them and Adjatha hits them and heals you. Very good combo for sword wielders. Also Crom Fayer and Mace of Disruption+2 works well.

Garnet Til · Post by **Garnet Til** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 7:46 pm

celestial fury and blackrazor rock

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:37 am

Use high level thief with use any item, kill haer dalis, an essential step, I always kill him anyhow, and comfort aerie later, I tell her all about how I've heard he's got 3 wives in various planes with about 4 children, and never mention the real reason and immie keeps all my secrets anyhow. you see, about 4 years ago immie and I were hanging out at the stoned dragon, and I was imbibing rather freely. Due to my divine heritage I never got hang overs. BUt I was drinking with korgan, my mistake, and matching him drink for drink. see, that little dwarf has the biggest capacity I have ever met, including some dragons. So the next morning I woke up with really bad hang over. And I was woken up with some stupid git singing "morning is here" badly and off tune. naturally I tossed a lightning bolt at him, but aim was off, and blew up th inn instead. It was haer dalis!!! so korgy and I had a lot of fun slicing him up slowly.

anyway, kill haer dalis, you cannot pick pocket him, and now you know why haer dalis must die, die, die!!! and dual wield chaos and kundane. with greater whirlwind for thief fighter, use keikos wakishashi, for jan use chaos and kundane with improved haste and mislead for muliple backstabs. the trick is to drain targets dex and wisdom until they keel over dead instantly. fast, vivious way to kill off anything vulnerable to +2 weapons in game.

Silvanerian · Post by **Silvanerian** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:45 am

In my games Kundane doesn't give you an extra attack. The only thing special about that sword is the fact that it has a "0" in speedfacter...big deal for a short sword.

And about the chaos blade dual: All you have to do is put 2 stats in shortsword which of course isn't any problem for you lowlevel character since you also need stars in katana and your other weapon to do that "killercombo" of yours. Not to mention the 3 stars in dualwield in order to actually effectively use two weapons.
And all that in order to kill whatever is vulnerable to the +2 chaos blade by draining their DEX.
It will take you at least 5 hits with your main hand (chaos blade) to even kill the enemies with the lowest DEX by draining them.
And as, well let's take a Nabassu, has 17 DEX it will require 9 hits with the chaosblade in order to kill it. If you haven't downed it by 9 hits with your main hand...well perhaps you should consider playing a different class.
The only encounters I can see where this form of attack has any value is with mages. I'm not sure if the drain goes through stoneskin and other protections, but if it doesn't, them this tactic is completely useless in my opinion.

Oh, I mentioned 2 stars bacause I figure you meant a fighter/thief, User. I know I wouldn't let my frontliner be a regular thief.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

-Sylvanerian

A Hairless Dwarf?? · Post by **A Hairless Dwarf??** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:37 am

The Upgraded Spectral Brand [Well, Once you get in in ToB] and Twinkle.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:40 am

Originally posted by Silvanerian:
<STRONG>In my games Kundane doesn't give you an extra attack.</STRONG>

You sure? It doesn't say so in the description, but you should see it in the Character Record.

And yes, the Chaos Blade should go through Stoneskin (didn't Two use this?). Blades should be able to make some use of it (Use Any Item and all).

KensaiRyu · Post by **KensaiRyu** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:57 am

Kundane does give an extra attack. No questions about it. Look at the weapon with any item editor or Infinity Engine browser and you will see an 'attacks per 2 round bonus' effect that adds 1 extra attack every round.

A different combo I like : Gnasher and BlackBlood dual wield. Gnasher does 2 extra bleeding damage every round, for 4 rounds, every hit. So if you hit twice in the same round , even if they have stoneskins, you will now do 16 damage spread out over 4 rounds. Granted its not as good as the Dex drain, and Gnasher is only a +2 club also,

but its still fun in SOA for disrupting mages. Plus, it has the potential for doing a good bit of damage over a longer period of time.

[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: KensaiRyu ]

concluder1 · Post by **concluder1** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:55 am

For the powergamers out their its celest. Fury, and crom Faeyr. For the roleplayers most use a long sword, complimented with a short sword, like celest. fury and kachiko's wakizashi, or celest. fury, and belm. I like the combo of daystar with short sword of backstabbing for my thief/mage, and celest fury, and kachiko's wakizashi for my ranger.

bjorn · Post by **bjorn** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:35 am

Originally posted by Silvanerian:
<STRONG>In my games Kundane doesn't give you an extra attack. The only thing special about that sword is the fact that it has a "0" in speedfacter...big deal for a short sword.

And about the chaos blade dual: All you have to do is put 2 stats in shortsword which of course isn't any problem for you lowlevel character since you also need stars in katana and your other weapon to do that "killercombo" of yours. Not to mention the 3 stars in dualwield in order to actually effectively use two weapons.
And all that in order to kill whatever is vulnerable to the +2 chaos blade by draining their DEX.
It will take you at least 5 hits with your main hand (chaos blade) to even kill the enemies with the lowest DEX by draining them.
And as, well let's take a Nabassu, has 17 DEX it will require 9 hits with the chaosblade in order to kill it. If you haven't downed it by 9 hits with your main hand...well perhaps you should consider playing a different class.
The only encounters I can see where this form of attack has any value is with mages. I'm not sure if the drain goes through stoneskin and other protections, but if it doesn't, them this tactic is completely useless in my opinion.

Oh, I mentioned 2 stars bacause I figure you meant a fighter/thief, User. I know I wouldn't let my frontliner be a regular thief.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

-Sylvanerian</STRONG>

Well, the character i'm playing is a fighter/mage with already 3 stars spent on two weapon style and 1 star for:long sword, bastard sword, katana, short sword and warhammer. Guess I don't wanna miss out on anything.

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:47 pm

Someone did a test Cfayer and belm does the most damage

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:14 pm

My solo swashbuckler effectively dual wields crom faeyr and scarlet ninja-to (use any item is the best) most of the time. I have daystar, celestial fury, dragonslayer, mace of disruption for special occasions. Swashbucklers make for excellent front liners actually. I have a thaco of -7 both hands and my ac can be as low as -19 without greater evasion or spells.
Soloing is very easy through SoA with ToB installed. Think I am gonna cruise through ToB aswell. Swashbucklers rule!!!

Musashi Miyamoto · Post by **Musashi Miyamoto** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:46 pm

in tob lots of critters got very good thaco.. ive been hit multiple time with my blade and we all know how good blade can get their Ac down to-30 or so... up to the limit but anyway that didn't help much what saved my rear was stone skin other wise i would had been dead fast...

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:24 pm

This really isnt a dual wield, but is enough keeping with the general topic to be included. have sorc or mage pc, pure class, and put pixie prick in off hand. cast black blade of disaster and impr inv. sometimes, you just hafta have a sorc or mage wade in htere with a weapon, like in the duel pit in underdark. I got good results with this combo, grand mastery long sword during spell duration,a nd 4 attacks per round. and boy, that sword rocks! levle drain, chance of disintegrate and +5 killer weapon! want to give to korgy via scroll swap trick, but rarely find the stinking scroll.

AbysmalNature · Post by **AbysmalNature** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:21 pm

I don't know I have always preferred The Flail of Ages paired with the Crom Faeyr, it is just seems more versatile then the Celestial Fury. I have always used the Celestial Fury with Valygar, with him it really kicks booty. But that is just me, I really go in for all around stopping power, for me that is the FOA and CF, it just seems to be able to hit more targets, and it is irritating to always switch weapon hands.