Monk vs Kensai/Mage vs Sorcerer

Fezek · Post by **Fezek** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 8:09 am

Originally posted by JoeBl@ck:
Okay here is what happpened although everything happened so fast.

Start
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Sorcerer spell trigger -> Fire shield red, mislead, protection from magical weapons (I'm know i will be dead)

Kensai / Mage chain contigency -> mislead fireshield red, protection from magical weapins.
(I know i am double dead!)

Monk : i drink a potion of invisibilty. Although they can still see me i was hoping that they can't target me with spells.

Kensai/Mage and sorcerer cast time stop. And i ran away as far as i could!!!!!

Kensai / Mage finished first. Time Stop active. Kensai/Mage with boots of speed runs after me!!! Cast tensor's transformation!!!!
Attacks me! Cast another timestop after the a few hits i was left nearly 30% of my life.
Time stop ended with me dead on the floor. MANZ!!!!!!!

Oh dear. here, have a cookie.

Edwin · Post by **Edwin** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 8:14 am

Why don't you try a different tattic??? Attack!!! Use the staff of magi and withthe high attack rate of your monk you'll have a good chance of hitting the man. And if you'll die again...well, you've tried to kill them!!!

Word · Post by **Word** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 9:33 am

monks can't use two handed weapons. so staff of magi is a waste.

pip · Post by **pip** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 9:50 am

to word

never said a monk could use staff of magi. I was talking about the kensai-mage and sorceror. The description under the staff of magi is that it is usable by "mage". Then again I am not sure the kensai mage will bother to equip himself with the staff of magi and activate the staff's ability to absorb spells.

pip · Post by **pip** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:37 am

To Word

Sorry about that, I think you were replying to Edwin. In reference to monks, I just can't think of anything that will give the monk the ability to counter the time stop spell cast by magic users as part of a chain contingency....but if the chain contingency is set to take into effect on first seeing the enemy then wouldn't it not set off in a multiplayer game since the monk, Kensai mage, and sorceror would all be consider as "frindly" as far as the program is concern? I can not recall if the chain contingency allows it to be set to "being hit by opponent." Maybe the monk could try to interrupt spell casting by using something like a sling of seeking and then eqipping normal bullets to attack the spellcasters.
Too bad the rolls of 1d20+4 at that level only applies to unarmed combat with fists and not to melee weapons.

NeKr0mAnCeR · Post by **NeKr0mAnCeR** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:04 am

why didnt you CTRL+Y their ass???

LMAO

it would be REALY REALY funny! they would probably hunt you to the end of your life!

Fezek · Post by **Fezek** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:17 am

Originally posted by NeKr0mAnCeR:
why didnt you CTRL+Y their ass???

LMAO

it would be REALY REALY funny! they would probably hunt you to the end of your life!

NeKr0mAnCeR · Post by **NeKr0mAnCeR** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:22 am

i tryed it on irenicus in spellhold after main battle (the one with the crazy people) and he didnt die!!! i wanted to see if he droped anything powerful so i did it 15 times but he took the damage and didnt die..........

pip · Post by **pip** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:26 am

Or maybe "Ctrl J" to confuse them first and then use sling with normal bullets.

Hmmm what about a non-magical weapon that is poison coated so that it will continue to do damage for a couple of rounds so they won't be able to cast spells? Unfortunatley I can't think of any poisoned weapons for the monk since I don't believe they could use a dagger of venom or darts of venom.

NeKr0mAnCeR · Post by **NeKr0mAnCeR** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:31 am

why dont you ask Sabre for a kool anti mage weapon or a wand of magic imunity (magic imunity with 10000000000000000 charges)

BlackWand · Post by **BlackWand** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:35 am

Originally posted by JoeBl@ck:
Okay here is what happpened although everything happened so fast.

Start
-----
Sorcerer spell trigger -> Fire shield red, mislead, protection from magical weapons (I'm know i will be dead)

Kensai / Mage chain contigency -> mislead fireshield red, protection from magical weapins.
(I know i am double dead!)

Monk : i drink a potion of invisibilty. Although they can still see me i was hoping that they can't target me with spells.

Kensai/Mage and sorcerer cast time stop. And i ran away as far as i could!!!!!

Kensai / Mage finished first. Time Stop active. Kensai/Mage with boots of speed runs after me!!! Cast tensor's transformation!!!!
Attacks me! Cast another timestop after the a few hits i was left nearly 30% of my life.
Time stop ended with me dead on the floor. MANZ!!!!!!!

Why didn't you use a protection from magic scroll? You could have used that to give you alot of protection from the sorcerer then went after the kensai. I think your biggest mistake was running. You would have been better off attacking. You keep them from casting a spell, you take away half of the k/m's arsenal. Hopefully you'll be lucky enough to kill him before he finishes you. After that you can try and finish off the sorcerer.

pip · Post by **pip** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 12:03 pm

Heck I was looking up the monk's abilities and saw that they are immune to non-magical weapons at 20th level, but this trigger my memory to recall that charactors who passed the tests in hell as one of the bonuses would also gain the immune to non-magical weapons, so if both the kensai-mage and the sorceror have the immune to non-magical weapons in effect, and they also have the spell of immune to magical weapons in effect then you will not be able to hurt them until their spell wears off. It looks very grim for the monk...on the other hand the sorceror and the kensai/mage fight may still be interesting.

pip · Post by **pip** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 12:12 pm

I don't believe monks may use magical scrolls or wands either. But somehow there was a bug in the shadows of Amn game when I first played it that allowed my monk charactor to use a wand of cloud kill as I recall. If only you could use wands as a monk then you would be use a tob wand that casts breach spells. It would help.

But I do believe that you need to attack swiftly as well and hope for good hits in order to stop the spells from being cast by the magic users before it gets worse.

pinkypinky · Post by **pinkypinky** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 4:36 pm

My condolecense, Joe@Black.

pinkypinky · Post by **pinkypinky** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 4:39 pm

Originally posted by Lorsadan:
The sorceror may not necessarily lose to the kensai mage. The kensai mage may have more options when it comes to fighting with weapons but the kensai mage needs to memorize their spells beforehand ( so have to pick carefully) while the sorceror should have more spells and is more versatile when it comes to casting spells. sorceror may case any combination for their limit on spells that they know. So if they have 3 level nine spells, with choices between time stop, improved alacrity, Dragon's breath, etc. They may choose to cast all three of the same spell or a combination of each depending on combat situation. That was why I played a sorceror for my protaganist, because I found that I want more versatility when it comes to spell selection during battles, without having to rest every time to prepare spells. again I think it depends on who plans better, when it comes to the match between a sorceror and a kensai mage.

Duel is more about planning than improvisation. Sorceror's advantage of choosing spells during battle is limited when you can't pause and think(it's a no-pause duel right?). K/M have more time to think about spell selection because he should always be on the offensive with his regular melee attacks, while the Sorc is busy staying alive.

Word · Post by **Word** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 5:42 pm

@ Lorsadan: we're cool

And I do know monks can use most wands and all priest scrolls. Also all classes can use protection scrolls but there might be an intelligence or wisdom requirment maybe.

pip · Post by **pip** » Sat Aug 04, 2001 9:07 am

To word

I thought monks were not suppose to have access to using wands? If they could use wands then they may have a better chance if they equip themselves with wands of breaching from Tob. If they also have access to priest scrolls then perhaps some scrolls of gate and protection from evil would come in handy. Or a natures beauty scroll to blind the Kensai mage?

Believe me spell versatiliy comes in handy because you may come into the battle beforehand with spells prepared, but the opponent may throw something at you which is unexpected even when you have planned well.

NeKr0mAnCeR · Post by **NeKr0mAnCeR** » Sat Aug 04, 2001 9:25 am

my monk uses scrolls of cure serious wounds so he could cast gate. im ALMOST sure.

@joe black: consider asking saber for a item that gives you permanent magic imunity (although i think he wont make it) or if you lose make him lose too and just press CTRL+Y

pip · Post by **pip** » Sat Aug 04, 2001 9:32 am

Heck I don't remember ever coming upon a scroll with nature's beauty. That is a druid spell I believe, so you won't be able to use that. Oh well...

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Sat Aug 04, 2001 1:33 pm

Sorry to bust a few bubbles.

Monks using wands and scrolls is a bug. The designers forgot to flag several of 'em as not usable by Monks. Baldurdash has the fix, as ever.