Great Weapons nobody ever used?

Snoon · Post by **Snoon** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:32 am

@Promil: When I first took down the red dragon, I found that the dragonbane longsword wasn't hitting him often, and yet slings were! I'm not sure what was up with that. It does seem to me to be a waste of inventory space to carry around weapons that you can use only a few times in the game. Seems that you really need a caddy following you around with a bag full of weapons, and ask for the one you need to use at the time.

About Belm, it did seem to me that it increased the number of attacks I got with my main hand as well, even when my character had no scimitar skill. I seem to remember having as many as 4.5 attacks/round.

About the backstab, isn't it true that as long as you have a thief weapon in your main hand, you can have whatever weapon you like in your off-hand? Yet another bug?

BTW: Why do people always talk about ToB in the SoA forum?

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:15 am

[QUOTE=Snoon]@Promil: When I first took down the red dragon, I found that the dragonbane longsword wasn't hitting him often, and yet slings were! I'm not sure what was up with that. It does seem to me to be a waste of inventory space to carry around weapons that you can use only a few times in the game. Seems that you really need a caddy following you around with a bag full of weapons, and ask for the one you need to use at the time.

About Belm, it did seem to me that it increased the number of attacks I got with my main hand as well, even when my character had no scimitar skill. I seem to remember having as many as 4.5 attacks/round.

About the backstab, isn't it true that as long as you have a thief weapon in your main hand, you can have whatever weapon you like in your off-hand? Yet another bug?

BTW: Why do people always talk about ToB in the SoA forum?

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1) Bag of holding

2) Belm and weapons that add att/rnd add the attack to your main hand (your off hand will always have only 1 att./rnd) and they work even if you don't have prof. point, but in that case you wan't hit much with your off-hand attack.
3) Unless you have UAI a thief can't equip a non thief weapon both main hand and off hand (but I never tryed the bug you are describing).

Devilock · Post by **Devilock** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:55 am

[QUOTE=Snoon]About the backstab, isn't it true that as long as you have a thief weapon in your main hand, you can have whatever weapon you like in your off-hand? Yet another bug?[/QUOTE]

Are you sure people aren't talking about Fighter/Thieves in this case? Or high level thieves with UAI, like lompo said?

Elessar-NWN · Post by **Elessar-NWN** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:37 am

The Answerer +4

Promil · Post by **Promil** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:49 am

What about swashbuckler? cant have 2 weapon proficiency at 2stars? if can...also can have 2 weapons at time.

SP101 · Post by **SP101** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:07 pm

"Great Weapons nobody ever used?"

First, I'm pretty sure every (magical, off course!) weapons have been used once. I would say that the followings weapons are really underestimated (But I agree they aren't "Uber" weapons :
- Daggers
- Clubs
- Darts
- Throwing Dagger

Look at this party :

- Beastmaster using Clubs & scimitars (There's a few good ones, but only "few" and "good", not "plenty" and "über")
- Fighter/Thief using Daggers/Throwing Daggers (could be dual-classed, so 5 stars in Daggers, 1 (or 2) in Sword and Shield)
- Fighter/Mage using Darts

Would you take such party's menaces serious??? The only one you could really "fear" would be the fighter/mage... because he still get access to magic missile even if he's a looser!

P.S. I may play this party for a little challenge... would be nice to see through Tactics... LOL

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:49 am

Don't underestimate darts!.... because... well...um... alright, go ahead and underestimate them...

The Answerer +4 is really good! c'mon, it lowers magical resistance fgs!

Elessar-NWN · Post by **Elessar-NWN** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:35 am

I dunno why, but I nmever used Sword of Chaos +2, even though it's a great weapon!

I never use The Answerer because I usually have The Sword of Angurvadal by the time I get it of General Tombelthen.

Is General Tombelthen the same man as Lord Tombelthen (Ranger Stronghold quest) in SoA?

Devilock · Post by **Devilock** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:15 am

[QUOTE=Elessar-NWN]I dunno why, but I nmever used Sword of Chaos +2, even though it's a great weapon!

I never use The Answerer because I usually have The Sword of Angurvadal by the time I get it of General Tombelthen.

Is General Tombelthen the same man as Lord Tombelthen (Ranger Stronghold quest) in SoA?[/QUOTE]

I use the Sword of Chaos until I find something better, which is usually Carsomyr, which I like to get ASAP.

According to the GB walkthrough, you get the Answerer from a guy called Torbelthen, while the Ranger quest comes with a lord Tombethen. I haven't checked the spelling in-game though.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:34 am

[QUOTE=SP101]
- Beastmaster using Clubs & scimitars (There's a few good ones, but only "few" and "good", not "plenty" and "über")
- Fighter/Thief using Daggers/Throwing Daggers (could be dual-classed, so 5 stars in Daggers, 1 (or 2) in Sword and Shield)
- Fighter/Mage using Darts

Would you take such party's menaces serious??? The only one you could really "fear" would be the fighter/mage... because he still get access to magic missile even if he's a looser!
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You'll notice that a FM using darts will hit a lot, the only problem it has is lack of ammo. F/T using daggers or T daggers are a must have if you plan on disrupt mage spellcasting melee. Equip them with some of the insane daggers in the game and watch the enemies die with a pocketknife. And there are a few very cood clubs, for example devious pine, she is extremely cheesy. As for scimitars, dont make me laugh - water talon, rash talon, most of them are not ubber but have very cool bonuses.

I dont really think there are bad weapons, I just think that some monsters are too ubber. Why a mummy needs a +3 weapon to be killed? I wish I could enjoy the whole game with a Varscona, or Arbane as main weapon, and to feel the need for a ubber +3 or +4 weapons only against the really nasty one baddies.

Elessar-NWN · Post by **Elessar-NWN** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:26 am

[QUOTE=Devilock]I use the Sword of Chaos until I find something better, which is usually Carsomyr, which I like to get ASAP.

According to the GB walkthrough, you get the Answerer from a guy called Torbelthen, while the Ranger quest comes with a lord Tombethen. I haven't checked the spelling in-game though.

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I the Prima ToB guide you get the Answerer form General Tombelthen amnd I just re-did that area. It was Tombelthen.