Revan *major spoilers*

Razzy · Post by **Razzy** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:49 am

i just got past the point where you discover the big secret about the main characters identity. am i the only one who is totally freaking out about it? i mean it totally took me by surprise. or am i just a newb

dayum_skippy · Post by **dayum_skippy** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:19 pm

Well, the game is really old by now. Most people would have already said it by now.

And they might not have posted this because it would have spoiled a lot of people.

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:00 am

Highlight: Well I always thought that there must be something about your character that makes him so special and so on, it can't just be that Bastila had ordered him on the Republic ship you are on for the tutorial (forget the name) by chance, because otherwise you are just some soldier.

But it does kind of take you by surprise the first time I agree, although it does make a lot of sense.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:28 am

[QUOTE=dayum_skippy]Well, the game is really old by now. Most people would have already said it by now.[/quote]

Not that old. Many of us have been playing computerized RPGs since the early 1980s, and there's no problem with a new player posting their reactions.

And they might not have posted this because it would have spoiled a lot of people.

He indicated spoiler in the thread title, so once again, there's no problem.

dayum_skippy · Post by **dayum_skippy** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:56 pm

Well I'm only considering old since the sequel is already out.

Ryngard · Post by **Ryngard** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:53 am

Does it matter if it is new or old? We have another fan!

To answer your question... sorta. Before I started playing I had gotten the game for my nephew on Xbox (I didn't know it was coming out for PC at that point) and he basically ruined the "twist" for me before playing the game. I did, however, still enjoy the journey and thought that it was a clever, original, idea and really liked it.

Lots of good times with KotOR!

Banuk · Post by **Banuk** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:16 am

I knew something was up since i followed every dialogue bit i could find with my scoundrel first time through, so i wasnt totally shocked..

I knew bastilla was going to turn though, she was always weak.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:21 pm

Considering all the hints earlier on, and the concerntration that was put on Revan, I knew he had to surface somehow. I was a bit surprised, but I was a bit disappointed that this was the major plot twist that everyone was raving about.

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:02 pm

I don't think the plot was hugely orginal though... you can apply half of Neverwinter Nights plot to KotOR (Bastila/Aribeth falling to the "dark-side", evil character amassing a huge army to take other their enemies, do this 3-4 times, etc). The Revan twist was probably the most original part however, thought it was very well done, and the story as a whole was still very very enjoyable. Second KotOR's overall plot is better I think though, not so much hidden stuff, more philosophical, and flies along much better. Shame it was quite poorly executed in parts, but still great.

LadyViola_21 · Post by **LadyViola_21** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:59 pm

I'll be the first to admit to being shocked. My twin brother played it first and didn't tell me what hapened, and I was ready to hit him when I found out. Personally I thought my female avatar was going to end up being Malak's sister or daughter or something. I was totally floored when I found out that she was really Revan.

Darth Coran · Post by **Darth Coran** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:53 pm

another one takes the bait.

ah good,another is drawn into our KOTOR cult....ahem....I mean family of gamers*silently chants "one of us,one of us"

Darth Coran · Post by **Darth Coran** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:28 pm

I'll be the 2nd to say that I was shocked,the only thing I lingered on was when Vrook said"what if we train him and the Dark Lord arises?"well than you've got one extra jedi to help,so it gave it away a bit,but not enough to prevent me from falling off my comfy little chair.

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:01 pm

[QUOTE=Banuk]I knew something was up since i followed every dialogue bit i could find with my scoundrel first time through, so i wasnt totally shocked..

I knew bastilla was going to turn though, she was always weak.[/QUOTE]
Very tricky...I do agree though Bastilla was weak.And I was sorta surprised that I was revan.So I always went around saying I'm revan I'm revan!

trance · Post by **trance** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:32 pm

I don't mind saying that I was truly shocked. I knew something was up, any perceptive person would, but I definitly didn't think that my avatar was Revan. Great twist I thought.

Crunchy in milk · Post by **Crunchy in milk** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:48 pm

I think the surprise was definitely heightened for people playing a light sided hero of justice type (blah

). For one thing the simplistic presentation of Revan by the council and others as a brutal tyrant is a strong contrast to the little image you've built up around your avatar by that time. Similarly the behaviour of the council and Bastilla to exploit you in your weakened state smacks right up against their own lofty image (don't believe for a second they where trying to 'save' you).

The sequel tackles Revan's motivations ("light" and "dark" alike) and the behaviour of the jedi council beautifully, through Kreia's revelations. It puts a far better 'spin' on how and why Revan "fell" and makes dealing with the dichotomy of being perceived by the galaxy as a brutal villain one minute and a champion of justice amnesiac the next, far easier to swallow

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:44 am

The only problem with Kreia in the second game however is her influence - getting her to open up about it is hard. I think it is very hard for light-siders to gain any real influence with her, as she will always bring you down for it, more so than dark-side actions.

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:28 am

[QUOTE=Admo]The only problem with Kreia in the second game however is her influence - getting her to open up about it is hard. I think it is very hard for light-siders to gain any real influence with her, as she will always bring you down for it, more so than dark-side actions.[/QUOTE]

You really think so? I've got a 100% lightsider who's had no problem getting her to open up. It's not a matter of agreeing with her. I've just found that you have to show that you value her input, and avoid actively disagreeing with her. That's gained my character quite a bit of influence.

While I did like the "revelation," I could see it coming a mile off. That's because computer RPGs tend all too often to put you in the role of a hero-chosen-by-Destiny, who doesn't realize he's special, etc, etc, etc. Since it's something of a cliche, I kinda took it in stride.

I agree with Crunchy-in-Milk: KotoR2 was far, far better at making in-depth characters with complex motivations, many of them hidden from view. It's not Obsidian's fault that some of those motivations remained hidden from view at game's end, because Lucasarts demanded release before things were finished.

Bryn · Post by **Bryn** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:59 am

Well, this is a pretty old thread, but it's new news to me, so I'll take this opportunity to express my opinion... I too was completely and utterly shocked. I was playing a light side character and had started as a scoundrel, so I had this nice little story in my mind about my background as a smuggler, so I was traumatized to learn that my past was all a lie! I was also playing a female character, and had somehow assumed Revan was a guy (they actually did a good job at keeping Revan gender neutral, except for this one conversation I noticed with Canderous where in the audio he refers to Revan as a he--oops). The last RPG I played was Neverwinter Nights, so I guess in light of that, the Bastila turning to the dark side thing was very obvious (see Aribeth), but I was also completely content to be a random survivor of the Endar Spire (in NWN, you're a random student at the academy), and I just thougth Bastila requested me on the ship because she could sense my Force affinity. Maybe if I had played Baldur's Gate more recently, I might have been on the lookout for discovering my character was actually significant... Anyway, I thought the "revelation" was done really well, with the flashback sequence and everything. I must be really thick, because it took maybe four scenes in the flashback before it all finally sunk in. It's great, because there are lots of other things not in the flashback sequence that hint at your identity, like your knowledge of languages, how quickly you completed your Jedi training, etc. Anyway, I think this twist and added complication make this one of the coolest RPGs ever. It adds the metaphysical dilemma, "Who am I? Am I still Revan if I don't remember being her and don't act like her?" and even makes staying on the light side seem not quite right (Am I redeeming myself, or am I just acting as the Jedi council's puppet--they programmed me like a DROID!).
This is probably all old news to most, but it's nice to have my say

Cuchulain82 · Post by **Cuchulain82** » Tue May 03, 2005 11:22 am

I'll chime in- I was stunned as well. I found out because I was watching my roommate play (and had been for a while) and he guessed it. He said suddenly:

"Dude, I'm REVAN!"

And I replied: "What are you talking about? No way!"

And 5 minutes later he got to the cinematic that tells you that you're Revan. It was a stunner

I loved it.

Kenyon · Post by **Kenyon** » Wed May 04, 2005 10:19 am

[QUOTE=Bryn]I was also playing a female character, and had somehow assumed Revan was a guy (they actually did a good job at keeping Revan gender neutral, except for this one conversation I noticed with Canderous where in the audio he refers to Revan as a he--oops).[/QUOTE]

There's also a conversation with Juhani in which she talks about Revan as a 'she'.

The moment of revelation for me wasn't during the cinematic (even though I enjoyed the montage immensely) but several minutes before that. When Karath is close to death, he tells Carth to come closer and whispers something in his ear. "You didn't know, did you?", he scolds, and then dies. That was powerful. At that moment, I realized who I really was.

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