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Intallation problem

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I have sp 2 and I had problems with the game so I decided to reinstall it, but the uninstallation file didn't work, neither did the game show up in add/romove programs thing so I decided to delete the whole folder but now when I try to install it keeps asking me if I want to play, I think this is becuase I have not removed the rigestry files, can anyone tell me how to fix this or how to remove rigistry files?

I also have problems intalling patches, keeps saying that it can't find the game in my pc yet its in the right folder and stuff please help with this too if you know how.
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Im sorry for making this post because I have figured out a way to fix this, sorry.
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Let us know if you need help with patching.
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Problematic Patches

Hi,

Galuf the Dwarf referred me to you regarding patching problems. I hope you can help me, exalted one!

What I did was click on the link for Patch 2 (in your first post in this thread), which took me to the Atari site and the three Patches 1, 2, and 3. The first time I downloaded and installed Patch 2 and 3, because Patch 1 is included in Patch 2. That didn't take, so I installed all three patches in sequence. And that didn't take either. I keep getting an error message saying that I have to insert the Play Disc, which is already in the drive.

Any other advice?

Thanks,

Gene
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Patch problems 2

oops, sorry, I made a mistake. The patch link I'm referring to is in Galuf the Dwarf's thread on patches, i.e. when you first enter the ToEE Forum, it's the first or second thread.
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So, you were able to download the patches fine, right?

My first question is, when you installed the game, did you change the path at all? Sometimes the .exe files can't locate the necessary game files if they aren't in the default location, which would be something like "c:\program files\atari\temple of elemental evil".

Also, I take it you haven't installed any no-cd crack or anything, but have you done anything to the game prior to attempting to patch it?

Another thing you could try is to get the patch from co8 and see if that one works better; maybe the downloads didn't quite work well via atari. You can find it here:

http://www.co8.org/files/patch/TOEE_USA_ANY-PATCH2.EXE

I'd unistall the game and reinstall it before doing anything else. Then apply only patch 2. You don't need 1, and 3 is not good. Instead, apply temple.zip. You can get that here:

http://www.jadri.com/temple.zip

...or here...

http://www.co8.org/files/patch/temple.zip

To install this, just replace the file "temple.dll" in the game directory with the one from the .zip, and then transfer the contents of the .zip's "data" folder to the game's "data" folder.

Let me know if that patch 2 still doesn't work.
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Patch help - plzzz!

Hey, thanks for the advice. I'm reinstalling and following your instructions. But I don't see the temple.dll file in the game directory that I'm supposed to replace. Can I just stick it in the main folder that says Temple of Elemental Evil or do I have to drill down into a particular folder to install temple.dll?

Also, regarding the data files, do I extract all the data files in the temple.zip, including the text files? And where exactly in the data file of the game should I extract to? I see files in the data folder that say 'sound', 'music', etc.

Any advice would be appreciated.
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Patch help - plzzz!

Ok, scratch the last post. I found the temple.dll in the game directory. Now which 'data' file in the game directory should I extract the data files from the temple.zip to? If I keep drilling down, I come across a couple files named 'data'.

Another question is that patch 2 doesn't seem to work. I DL'd it from the link in you referred me to. When I apply the patch and then start the game. I still get a message asking me to insert my Play Disc, which is already in the drive.

I guess I'm just confused. Can I just extract the temple.zip files without installing the patch 2? When I do that, the game seems to work - I even recovered my saved game. Or, do I have to DL the patch into the game directory before installing it? Right now, it's just sitting on my Desktop.

To answer your earlier questions, I installed ToEE to the C: drive per the installation guide. I've never used no-CD or done anything to the CD other than install the game. No scratches or anything. I just bought the game a week or two ago.

Any advice would be welcomed.
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Okay, first off, if you have a file called temple.dll in the game directory, then patch 2 did install (though perhaps not properly, for some reason), because there will be no such file prior to patching with 2. To finish the installation of temple.zip, take all the folders from the "data" folder, and put them into the game's "data" folder. You don't need to bother with the text files in the main .zip folder; just temple.dll and the stuff in the data folder.

Again, if you have temple.dll before applying temple.zip (which requires replacing it), that means patch 2 worked, at least partially. So, it can't be a problem with the patch not finding the right places or anything. Your problem may be a compatibility issue or something, with any number of things. I'll poke around and see, then get back to you.

In the meantime, you could ask around at co8.org.
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Hmm... some questions:

1. The patch applies itself without any indication of error, but after applying it, when you try to start the game, it says you don't have the right disc in the drive, even though you do, correct?

2. Are you using windows XP?

3. Are your video/audio/cd-rom drivers up to date?

4. Is windows up to date?

5. Does the disc look damaged or dirty or anything like this?

6. When you installed the game, was there any indication of error? Did you make sure to let the discs finish spinning before changing them, etc.?
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You may be able to solve the problem with your disc by applying a no-cd patch. You could try getting it here:

http://m0002.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc ... evil.shtml

(Try 3.0 first, but if there's a problem, you could try 2.0). It is important, though, that you do things in this order, to get things right.

Install ToEE.
Apply Atari 2.0 patch (*not* 3.0).
NOCD (make sure you get the 2.0 NOCD).
Then you can apply any mods.

This way, you shouldn't ever need a disc, so hopefully you won't get the message any more. Let me know if this works.
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Thank you for taking the time to help me with this. Let me update you on what I've done thus far:

As I said before, I applied Patch 2, then unzipped and transferred the temple.dll to the main game directory. I then took all of the files in the data folder of the .zip (Yes, I know the text files aren't necessary for the game, but to play it safe I decided to transfer everything to the last 'data' folder in the 'data' folder of the game directory (I had to drill down to get to this last 'data' folder." But I still keep getting the "Please insert ToEE Play Disc" error message.

So I removed then reinstalled the game. Then I just transferred the contents of the temple.zip to the relevant folders. The game then worked - or at least I was able to retrieve my saved game. I didn't get a chance to roam around to see if any of the bugs had been fixed. This is probably not the solution, since I didn't apply the Patch 2.

I'll definitely check out co8.org to see if anybody else has any problems similar to mine.

Thank you again for your help and patience.


[QUOTE=Lord Plothos]Okay, first off, if you have a file called temple.dll in the game directory, then patch 2 did install (though perhaps not properly, for some reason), because there will be no such file prior to patching with 2. To finish the installation of temple.zip, take all the folders from the "data" folder, and put them into the game's "data" folder. You don't need to bother with the text files in the main .zip folder; just temple.dll and the stuff in the data folder.

Again, if you have temple.dll before applying temple.zip (which requires replacing it), that means patch 2 worked, at least partially. So, it can't be a problem with the patch not finding the right places or anything. Your problem may be a compatibility issue or something, with any number of things. I'll poke around and see, then get back to you.

In the meantime, you could ask around at co8.org.[/QUOTE]
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Hi, again,

Let me answer your questions in order:

1) Yes, the patch applies itself and gives me an OK dialog box, basically telling me it's installed. Says something like "Patch 2 installed to ToEE, ANY" or something like that.

2) Yes, I'm on XP.

3) My video/audio/cd-ROM drivers should be up to date, although I must admit that a few months ago I had to reformat my hard drive twice (Damn Internet Explorer!). I reinstalled all the drivers that came with my Dell PC. I bought the PC about 3 years ago, probably closer to two years ago, so I don't think the cd-ROM drivers can be out-of-date already.

4) I believe Windows is up-to-date. Unfortunately, I'm typing this post at work so I don't have access to my home PC in order to give you a clear answer. But I know I've installed Service Pack 2, at least I'm pretty sure I did.

5) NOpe, the disc looks fine. Like I said, I'm able to play the game without Patch 2. I've only had one or two incidents where the game crashed on me. I bought the game brand new in a jewel case on clearance at Best Buy.

6) There were no error messages when I installed the game. I always let the CD-ROM drive finish spinning before inserting the next disc in the second part of the install process when the computer asks you to remove the install disc and insert the Play disc in the E: drive (CD-ROM drive?) to continue installation.

Thanks again, doctor! I hope we can diagnose this frustrating problem.
[QUOTE=Lord Plothos]Hmm... some questions:

1. The patch applies itself without any indication of error, but after applying it, when you try to start the game, it says you don't have the right disc in the drive, even though you do, correct?

2. Are you using windows XP?

3. Are your video/audio/cd-rom drivers up to date?

4. Is windows up to date?

5. Does the disc look damaged or dirty or anything like this?

6. When you installed the game, was there any indication of error? Did you make sure to let the discs finish spinning before changing them, etc.?[/QUOTE]
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Oh, thank you again for the hand-holding! I'll try this procedure tonight.

Hey, have you ever worked Tech Support?? You're very patient.

Thank you again.

[QUOTE=Lord Plothos]You may be able to solve the problem with your disc by applying a no-cd patch. You could try getting it here:

http://m0002.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc ... evil.shtml

(Try 3.0 first, but if there's a problem, you could try 2.0). It is important, though, that you do things in this order, to get things right.

Install ToEE.
Apply Atari 2.0 patch (*not* 3.0).
NOCD (make sure you get the 2.0 NOCD).
Then you can apply any mods.

This way, you shouldn't ever need a disc, so hopefully you won't get the message any more. Let me know if this works.[/QUOTE]
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Patch problems

Sorry again for bothering you, but I needed some clarification on your instructions regarding the 3.0/2.0 No-CD patch.

In your instructions, you said to try 3.0 first, and if that didn't work try 2.0. But later on you said to make sure to get the 2.0 No-CD patch. Which one should I try first?


[QUOTE=Lord Plothos]You may be able to solve the problem with your disc by applying a no-cd patch. You could try getting it here:

http://m0002.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc ... evil.shtml

(Try 3.0 first, but if there's a problem, you could try 2.0). It is important, though, that you do things in this order, to get things right.

Install ToEE.
Apply Atari 2.0 patch (*not* 3.0).
NOCD (make sure you get the 2.0 NOCD).
Then you can apply any mods.

This way, you shouldn't ever need a disc, so hopefully you won't get the message any more. Let me know if this works.[/QUOTE]
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Oopsie. The make sure you get 2.0 comment is actually copied and pasted from somewhere, and is why I said you may want 2.0 instead of 3.0.

Basically, I found a post somewhere detailing stuff on the no-cd crack, but it was pretty old. I assume it was posted at the time of 2.0, and was telling people to make sure to use the newest version. If 3.0 came out afterwards, then it should probably work too, and better. However, there is a chance this person was citing some problem with 3.0, and that 2.0 is preferable for some reason. So, yeah, I'd say try 3.0 and 2.0 only if 3.0 doesn't work. Sorry for the confusion.

...and no, I've never done tech support. I just know how frustrating these issues can be and so I try to help out. It's fun! :)
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No-CD Crack may be needed for Patch 2 to work

Hello, milord!

Well, it looks like the consensus on c08 is that you need the No-CD crack in order for Patch 2 to work. Here's the thread:

http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1739

I haven't tried it yet but thought this might be something to add to the sticky regarding patch problems for ToEE.

Thanks again!
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Post by Lord Plothos »

Well, the no-cd crack certainly isn't required to run patch 2, since I've played through the game about 6 times without ever installing a no-cd crack.

It may, however, be required for some people for some inexplicable reason. I certainly sounds like it stands a good chance of solving your problem.
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Patch Weirdness

Hello, again,

Well, I'm befuddled. I'm not sure if I solved the patch problem or not. But I wanted to run it by you to see if this has ever come up:

Last night, I followed your procedure. I de-installed the game then reinstalled it, applied Patch 2, applied the no-cd crack, then applied the temple.zip files to the appropriate locations. I ran the program. Still no go. I kept getting the "Please insert Play Disc" message.

Despite my frustration, I decided to try once more.This time to be safe on the paranoid side, I removed ToEE, the Patch 2 download, and the no-cd crack download. The only thing on my system was the temple.zip file which, of course, wasn't installed after I removed the other programs. Then I went back and downloaded Patch 2 from the Atari website and the no-cd crack and then reinstalled ToEE.

This time I decided to look through the files of the unpatched ToEE to doublecheck all the file names so that I would know exactly where I should be extracting the no-CD crack and the temple.zip files to. When I looked through the ToEE files, I found Patch 2 and all of the temple.zip files in what I think are the correct locations! I ran ToEE, and it seemed to work, although the Play Disc was still in the drive. (I didn't get a chance to run ToEE without the CD to see if the no-CD crack had been installed.

The question is: did I, in fact, actually de-installed the game with all the patch and modifications in the first place? I used the standard de-install procedure of going to My Computer->Add/Remove Programs.

So I went back to the Atari website to find out the exact details of Patch 2, i.e. what does it fix? I wanted to then run ToEE to see if I could see the fixes.

Since it was getting late, I only looked for some cosmetic fixes that Patch 2 was supposed to provide. These included:

1) Corrected Help Page title for Bardic Knowledge which should say 'Bardic Knowledge' as the title.

2) The description of Gruumsh in the Help or in the Deity selection of the character creation process should say that Strength is one his domains not an 'attribute'.

3) The Help Page for 'Chain Lightning' should be corrected of grammatical errors.

4) Cat's Grace should be removed from the list of Strength domain level 2 spells.

Well, when I checked the Help Pages for these items in the supposedly unpatched ToEE, all these corrections seemed to have been implemented. Weird?

I'm now unsure what to do. I guess I could keep playing the game to see if I can spot any other fixes to further prove that the Patch 2 was installed properly. Or, I can try to play the game without the Play Disc to see if no-CD was actually installed. Do you know of any other things I can try to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (sheesh, I sound like a lawyer!) that Patch 2 was installed properly?

On a side note, when I created my Paladin I created him kinda half-assed in the sense that I let his Charisma be an 11, which meant that he couldn't do the Lay-on Hands feat. Well, last night he leveled up to Level 4, so I raised his Charisma one point to 12, giving him a +1 modifier, which should allow him to Lay-on Hands. But I don't see this feat available on the Radial Menu. Do I have to remove his longsword and shield from his hands before this feat shows up on the Radial Menu?

Any advice would be most appreciated.
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A WARNING TO YOU ALL

Using such things as a No-CD crack is not a safe practice. Such things are generally used from illegal activities such as illegal copying of games, so PLEASE refrain from discussion and use of such programs.

If any wish to discuss this further, PM me.
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