charisma

crom faeyr · Post by **crom faeyr** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:21 am

why is charisma needed(i've played bg2 for 4 times and charisma does not seem to make much difference)also why would a mage need wisdom ,a cleric int and warriors int and wis

dj_venom · Post by **dj_venom** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:35 am

Ok, charisma is not needed, except for roleplaying. It is used in one or two quests, but it does not make that much of a difference.

A mage needs wisdom for the wish spell, up to 18, then it is unnecesary.

A cleric does not need intelligence, except for obvious roleplaying reasons.

For a fighter, wisdom is used to help with saving throws against [charm], or something, but it is weak in BG2, where the stats could be better allocated.

As for intelligence, that is extremely important against Mind-Flayers. When a Mind-Flayer attacks, they drain Int, so the more you have, the longer the fighter can last.

I hope that answers all your questions.

crom faeyr · Post by **crom faeyr** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:15 am

is that all?

bipbap · Post by **bipbap** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:56 am

Slightly spoilerish

Thieved need INT if they are going to be able to use certain items once they get UAI. I just ran into that problem.

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:25 am

[QUOTE=crom faeyr]is that all?[/QUOTE]

No, as he didn't mention the reason why charisma is usefull. Try buying something from a merchant, then cast "friends" (+6 cha) and try again. You'll notice a huge difference in the prices.

Charisma lets you buy things a lot cheaper. It might let you sell them for a higher price as well, though I'm unsure there. So, before going in to buy some heavy items, like anything above 10k, use your items and spells to raise your cha.

crom faeyr · Post by **crom faeyr** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:06 pm

[QUOTE=Thrifalas]No, as he didn't mention the reason why charisma is usefull. Try buying something from a merchant, then cast "friends" (+6 cha) and try again. You'll notice a huge difference in the prices.

Charisma lets you buy things a lot cheaper. It might let you sell them for a higher price as well, though I'm unsure there. So, before going in to buy some heavy items, like anything above 10k, use your items and spells to raise your cha.[/QUOTE]

anything else?

Obike Fixx · Post by **Obike Fixx** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:00 pm

There generally isn't many "indirect" uses for non-physical attributes is BG - such as low intelligence playing a large role in dialouge, wisdom helping in quest solving or charisma for charming the odd thug.
If you're interested in that, try Planescape: Torment or Fallout series. We have forums for both of those titles at Gamebanshee.

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:48 pm

That's so very true. Planescape: Torment is one of the greatest game I've ever played (together with BG (d'oh) and some other), and there Int, Wis and Cha matters a great deal.

If you're more into Dialogues, Storyline and Concept, then Ps:T is for you. The battles aren't anywhere as challenging or funny as those of BG, and there is where it fails to be the best game ever.

To be less off-topic, no, I don't know of any way that Charisma is usefull except that it makes items cheaper and that you're allowed more dialogue options (so few it doesn't counts at all). It might have an impact on the romances, but nothing that I've noticed. It should have, as I'm sure those elven chicks are more interested in a CHA 18 character than a CHA 8 ~~.

Unless I've some other stat to raise, I usually go for CHA anyways. It's good for roleplaying, and I like to buy things cheap.

Cuchulain82 · Post by **Cuchulain82** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:00 am

[QUOTE=Obike Fixx]There generally isn't many "indirect" uses for non-physical attributes is BG - such as low intelligence playing a large role in dialouge, wisdom helping in quest solving or charisma for charming the odd thug.
If you're interested in that, try Planescape: Torment or Fallout series. We have forums for both of those titles at Gamebanshee.[/QUOTE]
The only other use of stats that are not primary abilities is the Wish spell relying on Wisdom. That is kind of indirect (in the sense that it relies directly on an ability... so I guess that is a stretch ).

Thomas77 · Post by **Thomas77** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:20 am

Intelligence is very important to mages as their intelligence level directly effects their ability to memorize/write spells. The higher their intelligence the better they are at memorizing/writing spells. The lower their intelligence the more likely that memorizing/writing spells will fail.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:27 am

Yes, but this has nothing to do with the question posed in this thread:

"why is charisma needed(i've played bg2 for 4 times and charisma does not seem to make much difference)also why would a mage need wisdom ,a cleric int and warriors int and wis"

Let's stay focused, guys.

Thomas77 · Post by **Thomas77** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:41 am

My bad. I just kinda' figured by how he phrased his original questions that he was sort of asking a general question about attributes as a whole, and someone mentioned that intelligence doesn't matter.
But now that I just noticed that Crom has been banned I suppose there was no need for me to answer anyway.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:10 am

Heh.

It's a question that some people still have from time to time when they first get the game, so I haven't closed the thread. When I first played and reviewed BG2 for a magazine when it came out, I asked the same thing: does wisdom do anything for my mage? Will intelligence help my fighter? Most important of all, when will Boo start casting spells?

I've never bothered with raising unnecessary stats, even for the wish spell. I think my points can be invested to far greater, regular advantage than in something I'll use once or twice at most. Just my POV.