Will Bush and the Neocons?

Jaypee · Post by **Jaypee** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:59 pm

Will Bush and the Neocons in washington finally acknowlege the climate change after the hurricane Katrina?

I say never. Allthough it is an imperative issue for the future of mankind the current US administration will never grasp this issue.

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:07 pm

What climate change? The economic climate?

Jaypee · Post by **Jaypee** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:19 pm

Was that a serious question, dodging or a joke?

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:20 pm

A serious question. Do you actually think that a major climate change caused hurricane katrina?

Jaypee · Post by **Jaypee** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:26 pm

So it was dodging. Of course, the brooding, unusually hot weather on the caribbean rised the storm. Do you believe otherwise? What are your opinions, solutions?

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:29 pm

Why is this bushs fault? Really if this is the problem nothing can be done short term but Over the long run Use clean fuels like ethanol and reduce the amount of CFCs in the atmosphere

Jaypee · Post by **Jaypee** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:35 pm

I didn't say it was Bush's fault alltogether. Well he has a big part in it. I was just asking will he acknowlege the problem (the climate change), or continue to deny it?

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:45 pm

Are you referring to the fact that the americans cant figure out that even when they sepnd four months and millions of dollars sucking out water, they will still have a swamp to work with?

the fact that there is now a lake where there was not one? Where the winds are not blocked by buildings or trees anymore?

the fact that the area is slowly becoming more and more polluted?

Climatic changes usually take a back seat when a hurricane is involved. Mostly because of lives. Still, I am surprised at how little life was really woprth for a while down there....no offence, of course.

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:45 pm

[QUOTE=ch85us2001]Why is this bushs fault? [/QUOTE]
I think Jaypee is referring to the general denial of global warming and the active pursuit of policies that are not in the best interest of the environment by the neo-cons. Even the most conservative observant has to admit that Bush's administration has not been very environmentally conscious. As to whether the changes in the environment caused the Hurricane, that is a more complicated issue that I'll leave to the experts. It does seem likely. At the very least, scientists agree that environmental devastation of the wetlands, eroded the region's natural defenses against the hurricane, which subsequently increased the damage the region sustained.

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:46 pm

Well Im not a bushbasher but Im not a republican. Im independent

but I lean more right than left. I dont seehim blatantly denying the problem but I dont see him doing anything about it either

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:53 pm

@ Faust: Many things have been effected. But I stopped taking eniromental studeis and in highschool.

Also, I would not call the bush administration conservative.

what do you mean Jaypee?

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:56 pm

[QUOTE=hill1]@ Faust: Many things have been effected. But I stopped taking eniromental studeis and in highschool.

Also, I would not call the bush administration conservative. [/QUOTE]

Huh? On both these points...actually.

Certainly, there are larger environmental issues at stake. However, the wetland erosion is one that has received the most press recently, which was why I referred to it.

Bush's administration calls itself conservative (*cough* compassionate conservatives *chokes*). All in all their political policies puts that administration to the far right of the republican party. They are very conservative.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:08 pm

I know a lot about the enviroment.

I avoid American politics like its a bad rash. Sorry if Im not much help.

Jaypee · Post by **Jaypee** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:10 pm

It seems that Faust is the only person here that gets the picture.....

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:11 pm

[QUOTE=Jaypee]It seems that Faust is the only person here that gets the picture.....[/QUOTE]

Congrats on the exalted member level there.

read up. you do mean all those right? And many, many others?

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:13 pm

Lets agree to disagree.

-Faust is the only one to see your picture
-I know theres something wrong with the envir
-bush hasnt done any thing about
-bush hasnt denied it though

Thats just my opinion. No offence

Fiona · Post by **Fiona** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:14 pm

@Jaypee. This is a serious subject and it deserves a proper response. It's 2 am here and it's Saturday. You'll probably get more sense out of people (at least here) tomorrow. Sorry if that's disappointing

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:15 pm

[QUOTE=hill1]
I avoid American politics like its a bad rash. Sorry if Im not much help.[/QUOTE]
Certainly, I was probably using "conservative" in the American political sense of the word. Neo-cons like Bush are going to look different than conservatives in many other parts of the world. Though, there are certainly going to be common characteristics world-wise. Perhaps I was not taking this into account in my response. I'm sure that many people who consider themselves conservatives are turned off by policies of the Bush administration.Ultimately, though, we're talking about American politics. Which, I imagine, is why there's a bit of a communication barrier.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:24 pm

Ah, I read bakc and I see, you are talking about the bush administrations rather...lenient policies on the enviroment.

I have lots to say about that. Mostly since what is now polluting Canada...comes from the US.