Who here thinks...

NegitiveZero · Post by **NegitiveZero** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:06 am

...they're going to turn BG3 into a NeverWinters Night? Dropping the whole large group more turned based system for the more active one on one action style of NWN?

Which would ya'll prefer? The action styles of NWN or the triditional styles of the will loved BG/IWD gameplay?

Woozaii · Post by **Woozaii** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:42 am

I found Neverwinter Nights -- Main-character <-> Henchman -- system greatly disappointing! It really leaves something to be had... The coterie style is much more flexible, interesting and challenging! Then you could enjoy all the classes at once, instead of having to play the game about 100 times...

But i do not think they will abandon the group system...

Erenor · Post by **Erenor** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:49 pm

Bigger parties and viewing from an angle with more of the screen displayed has always enhanced my playing experience. I hate being stuck designing only one character or a few instead of six or more. I just like the design and interface a lot better. I hate having to click my character and root through all sorts of mini menus above their heads to find out what I want them to do. I'd rather point and click.

Antharias2k · Post by **Antharias2k** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:46 pm

Having larger parties would be cool and all. Personally I found Neverwinter Nights to be a dissapointment compared to the BG Series. But then again, it is hard to match a classic.

I prefer the user interface for BG, for one strange reason and that is that it is challenging. You have to know how to co-ordinate your hands and all of that. Also, I was introduced into the roleplaying world by BG 2.

Ravager · Post by **Ravager** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:32 pm

I think both systems are quite good as long as you have sufficient control over Henchmen. In Lionheart, they run towards any enemy and attract an army of enemies

. Having independent Henchmen gives them personality, just as long as they are not too stupid.

trance · Post by **trance** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:10 am

I would be very dissapointed if they used the single henchman system in BG3. One of the defining things about the BG series was all the great NPCs you could find and recruit into your party, and after seeing that side of the game evolve so well as it did from BG1 to BG2, it would be a shame to see it completely scrapped in favor of the painfully simple and boring henchman system from NWN.

Deadalready · Post by **Deadalready** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:31 am

I found Neverwinter a huge let down too actually, the things it supposedly had going for it like the graphics and free roaming didn't appeal to me at all.

The NPCs hireling I hated with burning, burning hatred.

Psychohalfling · Post by **Psychohalfling** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:40 pm

I personally thought that the nwn henchman system was dumb. I'm hoping that bg3 will have the same system as bg1 and 2. I'm also hoping that maybe obsidian will put out a really good henchman system in nwn2 and then I'll want that in bg3.

Bojangles · Post by **Bojangles** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:20 am

I don't know about anyone else, but as much as I enjoy bg's party system, I found myself pausing frequently to have my spellcasters cast at a reasonable time, or to stop a party member from walking out of formation, or some other reason to do the thinking for 6 people at once witha good strategum (<--may have missused that). A better ai system for bg3 to keep fighters from doing stupid things while I'm getting a spellcaster to do something would be nice.

Antharias2k · Post by **Antharias2k** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:18 am

I found that the ability to control multiple persons was brilliant. They each had their own storylines which made for a very interesting game. I found that the ability to choose your followers spells and all of that when they levelled up brilliant and unfortunately they never had that in NWN, unless I missed an option along the line somewhere. But then again, it might be because it was the first RPG that I ever played and I could not find a fault with it until XP came out (I love patches), but then again I can't be the only one person in a population of 6 billion people that loved that game. Most of the faults with the game, I never found and it is like that with most games.

Gjefflin · Post by **Gjefflin** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:07 pm

I've got to concur here. I LOVED the entire Baldur's Gate series. Especially when they got to BGII as I thought the story picked up there and was even more interesting and really pulled you into the game.

I loved the interface and the fact that you can pick new characters as you adventure but that also (If you want) you can create your own entire party in multiplayer mode (as I'm doing now). I loved the auto-pause settings and the fact that the battles weren't just a click-fest it was all about strategy and made you think. I hope they keep pretty much everything the same but just update the graphics and perhaps let you move the camera around like you can in NWN.

By the way...I liked NWN as well for it's storyline but I love the BG series WAY more then the NWN series just because of the party choices.

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:53 pm

Gotta agree with y'all. Playing one character with a henchmen... I could do that as I've played through BG several times with one or two characters, but I couldn't stand the fact that the hencemen totally lacked a character. Sure, they had a background and whatever, but it felt way more as if I was controlling a doll than working with a henchman.

Besides, the battle system was nowhere near the system of BG. Well, no game ever has, but this one definately had a long way to go. Not especially entertaining at all. :/

stephen74 · Post by **stephen74** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:13 pm

absolutely like bgII

c00lizz · Post by **c00lizz** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:46 am

The traditional way of cause. It simply provided for more of a challenge and it didn't degenerate into hack&slash like NWN has a tendency to..

If anything, they should add more personalities for the various sidekicks so that you can chose one that fits your playing style and let the AI waste spells whille you click manicly on the rest of your party.

Kythras · Post by **Kythras** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:59 am

Well, I played BGI for quite some time with a few mates, and BGII for a few days (Never got that far) so my opinions may not be as well educated as they could be. The one thing that appealed to me about the NWN series was that you, in escence, were your character. They were your personal avatar in the game and henchies were just there to help you out. Whilst the control factor in the BGs was better game-play wise, I found myself getting much more into my character in NWN.

Oh, and If they make BGIII using 2nd ed. rules, I will hunt down the game-designers and kill everything they care for in the world...

Just giving my two coppers

*Braces for heckling*

Rav · Post by **Rav** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:21 am

[QUOTE=Kythras]Well, I played BGI for quite some time with a few mates, and BGII for a few days (Never got that far) so my opinions may not be as well educated as they could be. The one thing that appealed to me about the NWN series was that you, in escence, were your character. They were your personal avatar in the game and henchies were just there to help you out. Whilst the control factor in the BGs was better game-play wise, I found myself getting much more into my character in NWN.[/QUOTE]I agree, up to a point. None of the NWN campiagns were based around the PC like BG was, they were all: "There's trouble, and we need a hero to solve it". My character didn't really matter, anything different would have done equally well.

Also, because of this, none of the battles were challenging. BG battles were often a puzzle. "What if I open with a breach on the mage first, instead of a fireball in the center of the room". "what if I switch to missile weapons, and let them come to me, then have my clerics heal me during the fight?"

1 character means less tactics, basically. Especially with the inanely stupid henchmen of NWN.

Rav

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:14 am

I hope it's gonna be more like BG1 and than BG2 or NWN

PacDwell · Post by **PacDwell** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:01 am

I hope they use the BG2 engine...except allow the user to rotate the camera angles by 90 degrees...similar to how Commandos 2 used this technique.

If I remember correctly Commandos 2 drew a 3d image, but only allowed an isometric view. That would work well for BG3.

Sononara · Post by **Sononara** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:13 am

Neverwinter Nights isnt that bad, but in comparison to such a classic as BG 2 there is no competition. the NPC's dont have to be stupid, just tell them to change their tactics, to do exactly what you want them to.

BG_DaDDy · Post by **BG_DaDDy** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:42 pm

The NWN sucks bad. However, the idea of being a dungeon master is brilliant. they should put that in bg3.

Oh yea, they need a better muti-player system, so people can enjoy the online experience.

keep the traditional bg1 and bg2, using 3rd AD&D rule.