chap with the arcane library and lots of scrolls - it occurred to me that if you have any spare scrolls, or buy too many from him, you can have a nice experience boost.
I spent about 100k in the shop buying everything I fancied the look of - I felt a bit depleted and there were still more scrolls that my characters could benefit from -
I'll not mention whether I buffed and shoplifted any scrolls at this point...
[OK - I got caught even at 175% pickpocketing! so I reloaded my 'shoplifting' saved game, which I recommend that you create and use after every few items]
...but having been shopping for 3 casters, I did buy too many of certain scrolls and before I could sell them back, I realised : you can 'erase' scrolls from the spellbooks and get experience for writing them in again. It then struck me that although you get very little money for 2nd hand scrolls, you can convert them into experience.
[shopkeeper doesn't buy stolen goods BTW]
I had never deliberately erased spells I thought a character might need, but the write-back policy at least means that when you pick up a whole bunch of true-sight scrolls, you get a fair reward for it and it becomes much more worth-while to pick up low-value scrolls, such as charm or blindness. you can place them in the inventory, open book, right click, erase, confirm, then write back in. it is helpful to make sure that you don't erase more times than you write and make sure that you erase the correct one - some have very similar icons to others.
All discovered because I was being honest and didn't wish to waste the purchases I'd made - when you are shopping, you can't see what spells are in the books and it is difficult to keep track of what you have and haven't got.
On the subject of keeping track - for a bit of role play, at times I had given certain mages certain themes of spells - specialising in protection or summoning or attacking - but you can retrospectively achieve that by erasing the spells that do not fit the theme.
for example as an example of cooperative party behaviour, I have Anomen and Aerie take turns in summoning 4 skeleton warriors then Nalia casts wizard's eye and Imoen hastes them or makes them invisible - so you have a 4 strong expeditionary force that can do substantial damage to any enemy group it encounters. I find it especially good for sending into gauth/beholder/flayer territory as they pinpoint the enemy and pin them down - when at least a couple of the warriors are destroyed, I do the same again and keep summoning expeditionary forces until I run out of summonable creatures or I think I have weakened the enemy sufficiently to send the party in. it is good role-play to have the characters have defined roles in the party - in battle I have 'summoners' and 'scrappers' using the summoners to spread the enemy more thinly amongst the party fighters - or to attack where party members may take too much damage e.g. from blade barrier. also skeleton warriors (my favourite cannon-fodder) have resistances that make them last long enough to deplete casters before the party go in - the mace of everard (?) has a spellcaster depleting effect too, so after Anomen has run out of things to summon, he wades in as a scrapper along with Minsc, Boo and the PC - Aerie and/or Jaheira remain summoner/caster/healers and Nalia works offensively - as would Jan Jannsen. If Yoshimo or Valgyar are in, then they work with missiles whereas Keldon's love of 2-handed swords usually puts him in the thick of battle.
not all battles go to plan and ambushes sometimes happen, but if you know the roles, you can use the scripting to assist that party behaviour.
so - potential cheese the use (and abuse) of erase
the roles - using erase to more define casters
Cheese and Roles
Cheese and Roles
"All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players"
really?
I'd not seen it mentioned in the discussions on exploits/cheeses.
if you had a solo spellcaster, you could gain whole levels without leaving a shop - I was quite surprised. I suppose that it couldn't be eliminated without ditching the max spells/INT link. odd rule really - being able to 'erase' knowledge - why can't a book have as many pages as it needs? memorising skills and intelligence aren't the same in any event. still, it's just an artificial rule in a game.
erasing to enhance the RPG element may be more relevant - it is a way of customising the RPG experience.
I'd not seen it mentioned in the discussions on exploits/cheeses.
if you had a solo spellcaster, you could gain whole levels without leaving a shop - I was quite surprised. I suppose that it couldn't be eliminated without ditching the max spells/INT link. odd rule really - being able to 'erase' knowledge - why can't a book have as many pages as it needs? memorising skills and intelligence aren't the same in any event. still, it's just an artificial rule in a game.
erasing to enhance the RPG element may be more relevant - it is a way of customising the RPG experience.
"All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players"
I played a lot of RPG when I was younger - VI form, student and adult - playing pnp. I don't hang out with 'gamers' so for many years, I just found out what I found out and didn't get help from anywhere. having these fora is a substitute for gaming friends and because the computer programmes are so often buggy, you need help to find what is a bug/error and what is a playing situation.
I like to play games without outside help, but when a situation appears impossible - I need to be able to check with others whether it is my stupidity or a programme error - walkthroughs allow that clarification and I try to get to the exact point in order to not soil surprises.
after a few runs through, playing them as RPG, I then like to see how powerful a character/party I can get and start to use exploits that I don't when RPG-ing the game - I don't like to edit up, but I exploit.
this time, I am presently level 26 and the party have levels in the 20+ near or at the beginning of Bhaal - first few times, the party were only a fraction as capable as that and I don't remember getting anything like level 26 in normal RPG gaming - sleeping in watchers keep and harvesting XP from the fights made a few levels difference early on - in RPG-mode I'd find somewhere safer to rest.
these games are so complex that they permit different ways of playing, not of which are intrinsically superior to others. I sometimes like cheese, sometimes not.
I like to play games without outside help, but when a situation appears impossible - I need to be able to check with others whether it is my stupidity or a programme error - walkthroughs allow that clarification and I try to get to the exact point in order to not soil surprises.
after a few runs through, playing them as RPG, I then like to see how powerful a character/party I can get and start to use exploits that I don't when RPG-ing the game - I don't like to edit up, but I exploit.
this time, I am presently level 26 and the party have levels in the 20+ near or at the beginning of Bhaal - first few times, the party were only a fraction as capable as that and I don't remember getting anything like level 26 in normal RPG gaming - sleeping in watchers keep and harvesting XP from the fights made a few levels difference early on - in RPG-mode I'd find somewhere safer to rest.
these games are so complex that they permit different ways of playing, not of which are intrinsically superior to others. I sometimes like cheese, sometimes not.
"All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players"
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You'd want to read this guide, if you're really into cheese...
But ya, summons use and stealing from stores is a pretty old trick... But all the old tricks are new if you've not used them before, right?
You'd want to read this guide, if you're really into cheese...
But ya, summons use and stealing from stores is a pretty old trick... But all the old tricks are new if you've not used them before, right?