anomen

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Thu May 10, 2001 7:59 pm

Drakon Du'Dark: You have a point. I guess that the Anomen romance does more closely ressemble an actual romance, where the two people involved affect one another's lives, and often influence one another's decisions.

What was that about helping with the armour?

Please elaborate, what conversation thread was that, and what did you say to get him to respond in that manner?

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu May 10, 2001 8:26 pm

It´s the first at rest dialogue.
He says...

Anomen - Might I be able to draw you away from the others....

PC - Very well, I go with you.

Anomen - Now that we are alone, I wish to tell you, my adoration of you is sincere...

Anomen - I...I wish to became closer to you..

Anomen - Am I being too forward towards you my lady?...

PC - You are not being too forward Anomen...I wish to be with you aswell.

Anomen - I am gald to hear it, my love...(that is were he says something about removing its armor and showing his love).

I play a elf with 19 CHA (natural, but I have the Blade of Roses that puts the Charisma at 21).

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Thu May 10, 2001 8:36 pm

I don't think Charisma affects it at all...I have a charisma of 17 and got the exact same dialogues...

Yeah, that line about the armor was something else...there's just something about that..."I will remove my too-worn armor..." Makes him seem all world-weary...

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu May 10, 2001 8:42 pm

You are right, I made a mistake (I have that line in my save game, I just need to finish the "Planar sphere","Maer guild","Windspear hills" and "the ore" quests (besides the keeps and the NPCs related quests) in order to move to Chapter 3.
I dont know what way the NPCs will change, BioWare still keeps that a secret, they will change, perhaps Anomen will stop the arrogant act.

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jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Thu May 10, 2001 11:36 pm

@georgi- i know what you mean about projecting youself into the pc. don't worry over it, every single roleplayer in the world will always project a little piece of their soul into the pc. i have 3 chacracters in their various incarnations in pnp and computer games, the oldest being 7 years old. they are like old friends. one is who i am, the other- who i strive to be, and the last- who i wish i could be. i just want to tell you, your not alone.

no i am not mental, please don't insitutionalize me!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 11, 2001 12:06 am

@Jennabard - thanks

Variations on the armour line, for those interested or, like me, just plain sad

1. Come to me, then... I shall remove my too-worn armour and we can lay together for the eve... and I shall show you the love that I hold for you...

2. (hope you will grow to love me...) As for now, however, I shall be content to show you passion... let me remove my worn armour and we may lay together, and I will be content, for a time, with you...

and my personal favourite

3. Here... in this place. Let me remove my tunic and you may gaze upon my body, honed through years of exertion... and you may decide for yourself if I am worthy of you.

LOL
I just love that!
Just for that line, it's worth turning him to the dark side >

Oh, yes, speaking of which, I discovered that I had a save from before the Saerk stuff happened... (damn my curiousity!) so I just had to go and investigate...

But, do people want to know what happens if you tell him to avenge Moira's death? I don't want to ruin the surprise (and poor Anomen, no matter how good the future seems to be, there's always a surprise

the poor dear), if anyone is actually going to play it that way...?

jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Fri May 11, 2001 12:51 am

@Georgi- i, for one , am interested, just don't have the guts to do it...too much empathy

i had the one with the 'well-worn armour' i think my heart skipped a beat there, but then i do have an over active imagination.

hope they don't change anomen too much in ToB <fear> and if they don't give me a happily ever after in Tob i'm going postal on them.

[QUOTE] [but in the game we can either change anomen from an "arrogant" to a nicer anomen or a CN anomen, we cannot do that in the female romances]

yet, another example on what a good woman can do to a man

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scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Fri May 11, 2001 5:45 am

Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>3. Here... in this place. Let me remove my tunic and you may gaze upon my body, honed through years of exertion... and you may decide for yourself if I am worthy of you.
Just for that line, it's worth turning him to the dark side > </STRONG>

OMG...*runs off to a freezing cold shower*
What on EARTH does the PC have to say to get him to say that?? (*shakes head*...this is very sad...LOL)

And I didn't know there was a "dark side" option here?...What's that all about??...

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 11, 2001 7:22 am

This is getting graphic. I didn't know he had it in him, must get my new paladin out of the first dungeon

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Fri May 11, 2001 8:46 am

I'm astounded they have any time for adventuring what with all the gazing going on

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 11, 2001 9:01 am

Ah, but gazing is an ever so pleasant a diversion, even in the the most hectic and stressful of times. IMO, I think that both Anomen and the pc would cave in to the inner demons (or require therapy) if they didn't have one another to distract

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scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Fri May 11, 2001 9:12 am

Oh, dw, do not misunderstand me!! I have absolutely nothing whatsoever against gazing!

EVEN in the most hectic times? Nay, ESPECIALLY in the most hectic times! Especially when you're never certain whether this may be the last gaze you cast on someone...just look at Jaheira and Khalid

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dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 11, 2001 9:20 am

@Loner 72, I never had any doubts

Mmmm.....gazing is one of my favouite past times. And now that summer is approaching.... Ok, must elevate mind to other thoughts now.

Speaking of gazing actually, I must say, I find Anomen's portrait quite delectable. Of course, I've always found "tall, dark, and handsome" men rather difficult to resist.

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Fri May 11, 2001 9:38 am

Originally posted by dragon wench:
<STRONG>I must say, I find Anomen's portrait quite delectable.</STRONG>

It's the beard. The beard is what does it for me. Beards for some irrational reason which I wish I could figure out, just do something for me. Alas...they are the curse of my existence...*sigh*

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 11, 2001 10:17 am

Isn't it funny how some men just look better with facial hair, while others are far more attractive without? I'm attempting to imagine Anomen minus the beard but I can't. Now how's that for a romance dialogue:

"My dear, I'm curious, are you as handsome to gaze upon without your beard?"

Anomen: "I am handsome either way (if he's still in his arrogent phase). Would it please my lady if I shaved? I am eager to oblige....."

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Fri May 11, 2001 10:27 am

ROTFL @dw

Beyond the arrogant phase, however?...let's see...I'm sure he would still offer to shave...or perhaps the PC could offer to shave him

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 11, 2001 11:12 am

Funny, cos I don't tend to go for men with beards... but can you imagine the uproar there would have been if the one and only romance we get wasn't a perfect example of manhood?

Haer'Dalis?!?! No way!

Ok, you've convinced me, so here's a (quick?) rundown of what happens if you convince Anomen to take revenge and kill Saerk.
If you don't wish to know, please look away... now...
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When we go to kill Saerk, Anomen goes a bit crazy and kills his daughter (losing 2 rep points), then we eventually killed Saerk and his guards. His son, Yusef, didn't die because he dimension doored out when he was nearly dead. (Maybe appears in a later chapter? I haven't played it that far through.)

The deed earns him the favour of his father, but he still needs reassurance that he took the right path.

After killing Saerk, you get the same scripts, Anomen worrying about not being worthy to pass the Test. Of course, he fails... which makes him feel like all his work has been for nothing. He leaves, but not before calling Prelate Wessalen a b*stard and the rest of the Order "Dogs one and all!"
Once outside, he considered slaughtering them all, but I persuaded him it wasn't such a hot idea.

Later, he decides that he is actually quite pleased to be rid of all the restrictions of the Order, and becomes a more carefree Anomen, which is a nice change... at least, for a while...

Then the same kind of stuff happens romantically. Although instead of the flower, you get this sort of thing:
"Turn me away or scorn me, I'll not fall away so easily. You have captured my heart with your enchanting spirit, and there is nowt that I can do to resist you. Will you allow this poor, fallen knight to lay his rose at your feet, my lady? Allow me one kiss on your petal lips and I shall be to heaven bound..."

The next script (triggered on rest) is the lie with me dialogue... and this is where you get to gaze upon his honed body

I kind of like this dialogue better than the other... even more romantic! "Let me hold you tight through the night, then, as I show you how gentle a man may be..."

Then I got this thing with Aerie. And a big, fat bug... She hassles him a bit about abandoning the Order, and he attacks her. I'm not sure what the problem is, but isn't he supposed to kill her? He only attacked her once, and didn't persist... and then I got the same conversation every time I rested... but he didn't attack her again. (I suspect this is similar to the Jaheira bug, but I have to investigate it a bit more.)

Anyway, next conversation is Anomen talking about how happy he is... and you get to say this:
"Hmph. You're happy because we laid together, is that it?"

And he tells you that he thinks you are meant to be together.

Second rest-triggered script - very similar to the other route, he tells you he loves you and pledges to stay with you forever.

Then several days pass, and a messenger approaches, with a letter from his father. It says that his business is back on its feet, but that Saerk was innocent

and now Lord Cor is a respectable businessman, he can't afford to have such a pathetic failure of a son... so he disowns Anomen.

The b*stard!
(I wasn't really convinced by this... I think it's because when you go to kill Saerk, he doesn't protest his innocence or anything, doesn't tell Anomen that Moira's death wasn't his doing...)

Anyway, Anomen subsequently blames you ("foulsome wench!") for everything, and goes to confront his father.

When you get to the Delryn estate, Anomen is about to kill his father and then himself to atone for what he has done. The dialogue runs pretty much identical to the one when he has run off to Saerk's house. If you let him go through with it, he leaves. If you convince him that his father is not to blame, he admits that it is evil within his heart, and if you tell him you love him he won't do it. And promises to be at your side forever.

There's a hint of possible reconciliation between Anomen and Cor, when Anomen tells him he always loved him, and still does

So it's not all bad...

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Dear me, another long post!

So, the romance works either way. Tread the lawful path and Anomen gets into the Order and gets kickass cleric skills, but his father dies. Turn vigilante and he fails the Order, changes alignment, loses rep, but seems happier for it until he finds out he killed innocent people. But his father doesn't die.
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You're right Drakron, I think since he is the only romance, quite a lot of effort has gone into making it satisfying, and ultimately letting the PC make Anomen into the man he is at the end.

@jennabard - I, too, will be devastated if I don't get a happy ending

Which kind of rules out an ending that some people think might happen - the PC becoming a god, or something... that doesn't really bode well for romance, does it?

I personally would be happy to settle down with him at my manor in the country (De Arnise Keep)... after all, I never *asked* to become an adventurer... *sigh*
Guess it wouldn't be a very exciting ending though.

Damn, this post is so long I had to cut out a load of smileys for it to post!!!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 11, 2001 11:29 am

DW and loner72 - LOL! Of course he would shave his beard off, he would probably shave his whole body if you asked him to...

Forgot to mention, I think, there is a bug which causes multiple spawning of Sir Ryan Trawl. Or maybe I did mention it, I think it happened when I was investigating the lawful path romance too.

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 11, 2001 1:08 pm

Hmmmm...shaving Anomen? That sounds like an S&M twist on the old ... er... whipping cream idea.

Maybe if he you let him go CN he'd go for the shaving option, but if you convince him to maintain the rightious path.....I wonder if you could purchase whipping cream in Athkatla?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

@Georgi, thanks again for all the hard work. It sounds as though you are dedicating yourself to your studies as zealously as I am at the moment

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Fri May 11, 2001 1:24 pm

Awwww...I like the fallen dialogues better!! Why can't the non-fallen get stuff like that?

No fair!! What, I guess the developers don't think paladins can be passionate??...

*New item: Razor of the Night, +2

Usable by: Fallen Paladins
Used while wearing the Ring of Human Influence, it becomes a +4 item.
In conjunction with whipping cream, the Razor gains an additional +1 to hit with a 98% chance of causing the victim to go berserk. When the berserk state ends, the victim will fall into a deep sleep lasting up to 20 rounds.
The Razor is a serious thing and caution must be used when employing it.
Whipping cream may be purchased in the Underdark for a pittance, though rumor also places a quantity with Ribald, for a much greater price.

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