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One point I haven't seen discussed here is how the man could have saved his life. Once the police suspected he was a suicide bomber it is difficult to see how he could have survived. If he stopped when he was told what happens next ?

I think the fact he fled is what labelled him as a suicide bomber.

Boys and girls, brazilian news tell that it was not 5 shots, nor 6, but eight shots, seven to the head, one to the shoulder.

Damn, had he a sign saying "I'm gonna blow you up?"

I think at the moment this just shows how noone (including the media) really knows whats going on, except the authorities.

The police have told us that they have to shoot suicide bombers in the head. They can't let them move for fear they can set off the bomb. They can't wait for proof. If the guy stopped they still think he's suspicious. So what do they do? They must be aware he could still be a bomber. How can he establish his innocence without putting anyone at risk? It may be that he was always going to die from moment they suspected him? Is that impossible?

I am not sure what you are getting at here, but you have pretty much described the weather in London over the last few weeks. Admittedly it has cooled somewhat in the last week or so, but it is still too warm for heavy coats, whatever your origin. I have a Brazilian friend, he has not worn a coat yet. The individual in question had resided in the UK for three years, so I would guess he was somewhere close to becoming acclimatised.

CNN weather tells me that the temperature in London yesterday was 16 C. I refuse to believe that the temperature would drop by nineteen degrees celsius in half a week.

[QUOTE=Rookierookie]CNN weather tells me that the temperature in London yesterday was 16 C. I refuse to believe that the temperature would drop by nineteen degrees celsius in half a week.[/QUOTE]

Believe what you like. However, It is quite common in many places for such a dramatic adjustment in temperature
Where I live (a coastal climate not unlike the UK's), we frequently have similar sudden changes in the weather.

I live in a coastal city. Even in May, after a full month of rain, the temperature is still above 25 C.

That is London, not the Sahara desert.

@ Rookie,
*shrugs* Well, as I said, you are welcome to believe any reality you want.

However, this is entirely OT, so sorry guys.

More on topic, I think with regards to the shooting there are still many unanswered questions, and I suspect the public will never actually hear the entire story.

[QUOTE=Rookierookie]CNN weather tells me that the temperature in London yesterday was 16 C. I refuse to believe that the temperature would drop by nineteen degrees celsius in half a week.[/QUOTE]

I live in London. Temperature reached into the 30s, despite the news saying late 20s. In the space of a week it has dropped 10-15 degrees.

I just checked an MSN conversation history, on the 12th July I had mentioned that the weather was in the 30s that particular day, (35 to be exact) and that it was 22 degrees at 10pm. It is 22 degrees now at 18:30.

Believe what you like.

*nods* Where I live it's not uncommon for us to have a very large shift in temperature within the span of hours or a 24 hour period. It's not been uncommon for the temperature to jump 20 degrees (F) during the night hours in one night this summer either. I think 15 C is about 28 F or so? Three or four days would be more than enough time to alter temperature that much in my area at any time of the year.

Ive only been to London once, so I cant honestly say they experience large temp shifts. However, in Calgary, where I live, in the middle of the summer, weather can suddenly change drastically due to something called a chinook(weather front), from being 30 below (celsius) freezing in the morning to 15 above by mid afternoon. Almost the whole world has unpredictable weather patterns. Weather chaneels are well nown to only measure temperatures in certain areas, such as Northern areas of cities. A city such as London, large as it is, would have a variety of temps throughout the city, as do many others. It would be entirely possible for the npthern part to be 22 degrees and the southern part to be 28 degres, and vice versa, with an even higher change. The fact that he was weraring a coat may mean nothing or everything. The unpredictability of weather means that it may have been 35 degrees celsius that day. Or it may have been 22 degrees.

And right now its sunny right now in calgary, and somewhat hot too. According to the weather channel it is currently cloudy and cool. They also have the forecast for yesterday wrong as well, off by 5 degrees. See what I mean?

The final moments

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1707480,00.html

I have been asked by Buck not to post any further in this thread, but i felt the topic needed closure. That above is a link from the UK newspaper The Times. Additionally CNN, FOX and CBS all have the same details and stories. Draw your own conclusions.

The link is not working, Fas...

Would think the url should be this


Doesn't add nothing much new.

It is still an event driven by a number of circumstances which unfortunally ended in the death of an innocent.
It is still biased, trollish and poor taste to state that this is "hunting season on muslims" by the racists British police which is condoned by the government.

These events occurred while I was isolated from media so I had no idea what happened. After having read this thread, I find myself agreeing with Giles and Cuchulain.

Fiona wrote:The police have told us that they have to shoot suicide bombers in the head. They can't let them move for fear they can set off the bomb. They can't wait for proof. If the guy stopped they still think he's suspicious. So what do they do? They must be aware he could still be a bomber. How can he establish his innocence without putting anyone at risk? It may be that he was always going to die from moment they suspected him? Is that impossible?

I also think this is a very valid point that has not been enough discussed.

In any case, BBC today reports that ITV has received material that suggests the fatal accidental shooting may not have happened like the police reported it previously.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4157892.stm

BBC] [color=yellow]Leaked documents appear to contradict the official account of how police mistook a Brazilian man for a suicide bomber and shot him. The papers wrote:Public inquiry[/b]

The documents, including witness statements, also suggest Mr de Menezes did not hurdle the barrier at Stockwell tube station, as first reports previously suggested, and was not wearing a padded jacket that could have concealed a bomb. [/color]

EDIT: Maybe a moderator could edit the title of this thread? The title is in my opinion not suitable for this serious subject, but the thread still contains many posts with valid points.