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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:01 pm
by Happy Evil
Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>....The small-minded yahooism that doesn't even recognize its own insularity bothers me. "

</STRONG>
Damn Fable.....it was a joke. Making fun of myself. People with no sense of humor bothers me!!
How can I have small mind if my head is sooooo big???
[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Happy Evil ]
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:35 pm
by fable
Originally posted by Happy Evil:
<STRONG>Damn Fable.....it was a joke. Making fun of myself. People with no sense of humor bothers me!! </STRONG>
Um, what are you referring to? I just simply added my remarks, and they had nothing to do with what you, or anybody else, had previously posted. Sheesh.

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:48 pm
by C Elegans
Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>Ferguson took a strong stand against the idea of making Texas bilingual. As she put it in a famous statement that is still quoted in some chambers, "If the Good Lord had meant us to speak Spanish, he would have written the Bible in Spanish instead of English."

</STRONG>

I don't know whether this is funny or not

Wasn't George W Bush governor in Texas? Is there a certain connection between Texas government and strange public speech errors?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:50 pm
by Happy Evil
Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>The small-minded yahooism that doesn't even recognize its own insularity bothers me. "

</STRONG>
What or who is it referring to then?
If I'm totally off base I apologize.

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 2:00 pm
by fable
Originally posted by Happy Evil:
<STRONG>
What or who is it referring to then?
If I'm totally off base I apologize.

</STRONG>
Azeroth posted in his initial topic heading:
So what is it about the U.S. that just ticks you off. As this was my first comment in this topic, I replied directly to him, leading off with:
The small-minded yahooism that doesn't even recognize its own insularity bothers me...
Don't feel so directly targeted, my friend. Goodness knows, I'm at least one USian who isn't interested in developing offensive or defensive weapons systems.

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 2:07 pm
by Happy Evil
(Happy Evil sits down and shuts his small minded, yahooism filled mouth.)

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 2:53 pm
by T'lainya
Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>

I don't know whether this is funny or not

Wasn't George W Bush governor in Texas? Is there a certain connection between Texas government and strange public speech errors?

</STRONG>
Unfortunately not CE

I think it's a commentary on most modern politicians

We had a governor here in Arizona who made remarks that were just as ridiculous

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:07 pm
by C Elegans
Originally posted by T'lainya:
<STRONG>Unfortunately not CE

I think it's a commentary on most modern politicians

We had a governor here in Arizona who made remarks that were just as ridiculous

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I wish it was limited in some way, but unfortunately I think you're right, it's a universal politician's problem

One of Sweden's former Minister of Justice said when she got the position: "I think it's an advantage that I don't know anything at all about the law". Zzzz...
[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: C Elegans ]
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:07 pm
by ThorinOakensfield
What ticks me off about NJ is that we have seasons. Personally i prefer an area which is always warm. I like the consistency.
I' just trying to change the topic.

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:54 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:
<STRONG>What ticks me off about NJ is that we have seasons. Personally i prefer an area which is always warm. I like the consistency.
I' just trying to change the topic.

</STRONG>
Try Arizona. It's always extremely hot here.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 6:40 pm
by fable
Another thing that annoys me about the US is the mindnumbing, in-your-face violence. It's endemic. It's all over the television that most Americans watch for 4 hours per night (according to one poll). And while I've seen some American sub-cultures that were very friendly, New Jersey's is a brutalized, get-in-my-face-and-die sort of place. Verbal abuse is only the airiest grace compared to the sort of stuff I've seen in this state.

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 6:54 pm
by Quark
On that note, fable, tip to people in the Phila area: stay out of Camden.
*Sigh*
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:05 pm
by fable
Originally posted by Quark:
<STRONG>On that note, fable, tip to people in the Phila area: stay out of Camden.
*Sigh*</STRONG>
Well, consider the evidence. When we first moved in and bought a refrigerator, two workmen installed it. They didn't do the job right, because after they left, and the water was turned on to power the ice machine and air conditioning, a lake formed on the floor and began seeping through the ceiling, below. I called, and asked them to come and fix the problem.
One of the two workmen showed up. He said he'd had to leave his "man" behind, because the guy (who was as wide and muscular as he was tall) had started saying he was going to wipe my head across every wall in the house for bothering them.
Okay, strike one.
We live in a relatively nice, upper middleclass neighborhood (they have no idea I'm here, muwa-HA-HA-HA-HA..!). But our neighbor across the street regularly verbally abuses his kids outdoors--"What are you doing out here, stupid!" he'll scream. "I toldcha to clean that garage! What kinda idiot kid do I got? You moron!" and on, and on. His neighbor to the left runs a landscape business, and has decided to use all the parking space in our cul-de-sac for his vehicles. When I asked once (nicely) if he could leave the space open in front of our house as we were expecting guests, he stared at me--and finally compiled. Then, there's *his* neighbor to the left, who has never been seen to smile or nod at anyone, but walks his dog regularly every morning and night, and stares at people.
What's saddest of all is that if you drive through this development, you keep hearing the same kind of loud, personal abuse hurled at neighbors and children on a regular basis.
Strike two.
Then, there are all the casual events--being told regularly when we return items to stores, "What d'ya expect me to do about it?" by clerks--or the people who can support tons of sports stadiums, but vote in a governor who promises to lower taxes; so there's no money to fix state-funded road potholes, or pay for electricity in the state educational system. (Hey, but she got plenty of funds from the American Rifle Association, so she must be okay.)
Strike three. And I didn't even relate any of the personal anecdotes my wife and I have collected about NJ driving habits, etc.

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:29 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>Well, consider the evidence. When we first moved in and bought a refrigerator, two workmen installed it. They didn't do the job right, because after they left, and the water was turned on to power the ice machine and air conditioning, a lake formed on the floor and began seeping through the ceiling, below. I called, and asked them to come and fix the problem.
One of the two workmen showed up. He said he'd had to leave his "man" behind, because the guy (who was as wide and muscular as he was tall) had started saying he was going to wipe my head across every wall in the house for bothering them.
Okay, strike one.
We live in a relatively nice, upper middleclass neighborhood (they have no idea I'm here, muwa-HA-HA-HA-HA..!). But our neighbor across the street regularly verbally abuses his kids outdoors--"What are you doing out here, stupid!" he'll scream. "I toldcha to clean that garage! What kinda idiot kid do I got? You moron!" and on, and on. His neighbor to the left runs a landscape business, and has decided to use all the parking space in our cul-de-sac for his vehicles. When I asked once (nicely) if he could leave the space open in front of our house as we were expecting guests, he stared at me--and finally compiled. Then, there's *his* neighbor to the left, who has never been seen to smile or nod at anyone, but walks his dog regularly every morning and night, and stares at people.
What's saddest of all is that if you drive through this development, you keep hearing the same kind of loud, personal abuse hurled at neighbors and children on a regular basis.
Strike two.
Then, there are all the casual events--being told regularly when we return items to stores, "What d'ya expect me to do about it?" by clerks--or the people who can support tons of sports stadiums, but vote in a governor who promises to lower taxes; so there's no money to fix state-funded road potholes, or pay for electricity in the state educational system. (Hey, but she got plenty of funds from the American Rifle Association, so she must be okay.)
Strike three. And I didn't even relate any of the personal anecdotes my wife and I have collected about NJ driving habits, etc.

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fable, ye've got to get out of NJ and move to TX. People are generally much friendlier there(just stay out of Dallas).

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:49 pm
by Vehemence
*sigh* There's just too many people in the world.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2001 3:09 am
by Tom
happy evil
Parents generally think and make decisions for their young kids. This includes the schools they go to, and the methods used there.
This is true indeed but to be made to pledge aligiance (and at such a young age) seems to me very wrong. for how many years do the children have to repeat this? There is no doubt that those of independent spirit will not take it seriously but what about those not so strong - it might well have a profound influence on them.
SS
It is not indoctrination. The pledge of allegiance is just that. A pledge of alliegance.
Happy evil
IMHO, the pledges purpose was to instill the fact that this nation is founded on things such as "liberty" and "justice". Kinda cheesy and idealized I know. Yet harmless.
What does it mean to Pledge Aligiance!? it means something like to promise support. But how can a young child judge if that is the right thing to do? sometimes the right thing to do is fight the opinion of your country - this kind of independence is crucial for morality. The right thing to is to teach the children about the admirable sentiments embodied in the declaration including different perspectives on it. to do any less makes a mokery of democracy and lower the status of the moral sentiments, behind the laws and constitution, to the level of religion and superstition which requires blind and unreasoned faith. the declaration of independance was founded on ideals and reasons - to make children, not ready to make a reasoned choise, pledge aligiance is contrary to those very principles.
Rant Rant Rant
Puts on his asbestos suit *cough* *cough* damn thing is a bit dusty
ohh and by the way i also think its irrational to feel proud about where you were born. you might well feel lucky but i mean its not like you had any choice in the matter.
adds his helmet with sprinkler on top

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2001 3:18 am
by Georgi
Originally posted by Tom:
<STRONG>ohh and a biggie
the beer is like water.

</STRONG>
That's just beer... drink something nice for goodness sake!!

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:20 am
by Tom
Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>That's just beer... drink something nice for goodness sake!!

</STRONG>
But but... I like beer - what kind of girly drink do you want me to drink?

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:29 am
by Georgi
Originally posted by Tom:
<STRONG>But but... I like beer - what kind of girly drink do you want me to drink?

</STRONG>
Spirits aren't girly...

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:33 am
by Tom
of course not
next you will say hooch isnt girly
