Bastila and Revan Fans: How would you want to have them back in KotOR III?

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:13 pm

i agree, i think it is more likely that they will just mention revan and/or the exile every so often like they did in kotor2 or it would just get really complicated trying to fit it with how everyone played those two characters. as for bastila, i really don't see any reason to have her return as far as the story is concerned, apart from maybe a mention of her somewhere. i liked her in kotor1 but i don't feel the need to have her back in kotor3. personally i think the only ones they will carry over as playable characters in your party will be the two droids cos lets face it, star wars always seems to have two droids lol (i can't comment on the books as only seen the films). i would love to have hk and t3 back as i really like both of them.

Master Hyden · Post by **Master Hyden** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:47 pm

I believe they should at the very least have the focus on the story on where Revan went and trying to find them. If they dont then there wont be any reason to do a KOTOR3. Of course the exile needs to be in there as well. If they're smart they can do it in a way where it doesn't depend on if Revan or the Exile are ls or ds. If they go off in a different direction again then the story wont have any considerable congruency. It's really hit or miss if the other characters should even be in there at all. Hk and T3 are pretty cool, but Bastilla and others from 1 and 2 depend on if you were dark or light. Enough Ebon Hawk too. They need new chars. and a new ship. But they need to have this "Episode" tie up a bunch of lose ends.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:06 am

Exactly. KotOR II had many holes and loose end's. Time to put it together. So - there should be story with Revan and Exile, but not as an playable char or npc. The game need's freshnes - new char's, new ship, new interface and such.

KyLewin · Post by **KyLewin** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:31 pm

A thought that just occured to me, that might actually work, would be to have your character (whoever that is, but not Revan or the Exile) following after those two to help them (perhaps at the request of Bastila). Throughout most of the game, Revan, the Exile, and anyone else with them are always just a little bit in front of you, but when you reach the final battle, they are there and the group of you battle whatever your enemy is (the True Sith, I assume) together. Throughout the game you could gradually reveal Exile and Revan's allignment, sex, and whatever else is needed (probably wouldn't be too hard to have something make you identify what they looked like even) through dialog and other semi-subtle means. As those are the only two characters with a lot of variables attached to them, adding people like Bastila, Carth, Atton, Handmaiden, etc. wouldn't be terribly difficult either.

Regardless of how they do it, I don't think they can just kill Revan and the Exile off screen, or basically ignore them. Revan in particular was too central a character for something like that. Hopefully the developers will plug most of the plot holes from the last game, give us a satisfactory ending to Revan's story, and make it so that the events in the first two games weren't completely pointless. After that, please move on to a different time period (like they should have done with Kotor II).

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:29 pm

Ok this is going to be quick i feel Revan should return dead and Bastila should have a small part in the game.

FighterTundra · Post by **FighterTundra** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:43 am

[QUOTE=Dutch_Chaos]IMission should be back also.[/QUOTE]
if you are dark side, and on unknown planet, when you come back from the temple, you can let zaalbar kill mission, so if she came back, the story line would not be right at all

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:48 pm

Althought the title does not bely the actual discussion in the thread, discussion on the introduction of older NPCs into KotOR III would be more appropriate in [url="http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64438"]this[/url] thread, for this one is on Bastila and Revan alone.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:35 am

I havent played he 2nd one yet so no one tell me about it!! but... if i were in charge of the game... i would have it start out a couple of months after whatever happened on the str forge. you know - dark side or light side. i would have it so it would be like two totally differnt games. your revan your dark side. your hanin out on the star forge with bastila. whatever. your revan. your light side. your hangin out at the jedi enclave with your crew. then you know the game starts. but you see what im saying? like i know you said KotOR III but seeing as how i havent even played II.... i know a tiny lil bit about it and thats about it. i know you were banned from the jedi. thats about it really. lol. im lame. but yea. im just fantasizing i guess about what i wanted to happn in the 2nd one but whatever. but in the 3rd one, i hope you can actully PLAY revan and bastila and your old crew but i dont even knowif there dead. ive heard that you have to find certain sutff like carths blaster and zalbaars bowcaster and stuff like that but seeing as i haven played it... im going on what ive heard or read. oy-vey. i am SO lame

KyLewin · Post by **KyLewin** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:25 pm

[QUOTE=FighterTundra]if you are dark side, and on unknown planet, when you come back from the temple, you can let zaalbar kill mission, so if she came back, the story line would not be right at all[/QUOTE]

To my knowledge, the second game never asks if Revan killed Bastila on the StarForge. It assumes that if he/she was lightside that Bastila was spared (and of course she'd survive if you were ds as well). Obviously, with Mission, if Revan was DS, she's dead, if not, then she lived.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they just said, "Here's canon, deal with it." From what I've heard (and I might have heard wrong), this would make Revan a LS male and Exile a LS Female. I'm sure the DS crowd wouldn't be too happy with that, but if the series doesn't end (or at least the series involving Revan/Exile and this whole time period) with the next game, there will be too many diverging paths and you'll spend an hour telling the game what you've done before...

"No, Revan was a man..."
"No, no, he had a little soul patch and short, brown hair, not long hair or a mustache..."
"Of course he led half the Sith academy back to the light, that's what Jedi do..."
"Bastila wasn't very tempting, so he didn't fall to the dark side a second time..."
"He hooked up with Juhani, not Bastila, it's the whole neko-thing, you know?..."
"Exile was a woman... or at least, we think she was..."
"What did she look like? I don't know, I spent all my time with her making her run around naked while I looked at her butt... blonde hair maybe? Or brown? She definitely had hair, that much I remember..."
"She had a fling with Atton, but decided Bao-Dur was her kind of guy...
"The thing for Bao-Dur fell apart when Exile caught him with Kreia and promptly developed a thing for homicidal droids..."
"She was darkside of course..."

Can you imagine how long that could end up taking? Not to mention the fact that it would just be irritating as hell. Either they need to say, if Revan/Exile was lightside, they were insufferably lightside, and if they were dark they were completely dark or they just need to say, "this is how the games were supposed to go, anything else is alternate universe type stuff." I know it eliminates some (or all) of the choices you could have made, but it's better than playing twenty questions with some random guy just so the game knows what you did.

Anyway, just so I'm not completely off the topic of how I want Bastila and Revan back... I think they need to be in the game in some way shape or form. Either as NPCs (which would be tough) or with Revan back as a playable character (maybe even tougher).

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:03 am

The player can hear stories of all the old players but not actually revealing if they're dead or alive.This way they're are still in the game but not visual.

Krl · Post by **Krl** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:02 pm

I have read all the posts anda here is what i think.
I understand people who don't want to see them back but what is the point then. They must be in Kotor 3. Playable, non-playable, main, makes no diffrence. After all this is a trilogy. They must end it in one way or another.
I think everybody here had played both games more than once and knows LS and DS ending of both games. True? What is all the fuss about who should be dead and who should be alive? Is it that hard to imagine that both games have LS ending with male character? Which storyline do you think would be in movie trilogy?
Now, about the plot. Lets say that the True Sith is very powerfull(they probably are) and i don't think that a padawan would be able to defeat it unless he/she becomes super strong. Ther is no point of making another uber-strong character when already you have two.
There is many things that could happen to Revan, Bastila, Exile and rest of them to make them start from the begining(lvl 1). Or even if they continue from level they are, enemies can be a lot stronger. Developers can make this happen in many ways.
I really think that they should end this chapter and they should end it in a way where you know what exactly happend with every character.

P.S. Sorry for my english.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:46 pm

[QUOTE=Krl] Which storyline do you think would be in movie trilogy?
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the thing is this is not a movie trilogy (although i can see where you are coming from and i agree they should just decide if revan is ls or ds as it would make life a lot easier). they can tie up the loose ends pretty easily without having bastila in the game at all (they could easily kill her off). as for the exile, i don't think there is any real reason to have him/her as a main npc in the game (but the exile could make an appearance or be mentioned) cos she has done her bit in the story and just disappeared into the night afterwards. revan is the only one i think they need to continue with, but not as a main playable character. he/she should be central to the plot, but they can easily solve whether he/she is ls/ds by having a story that involves them going one way or the other before the game begins (for example, ls revan could have left republic space cos revan fell to the ds again). then they could have revan in the story as a main npc. as for whether revan is male/female - if they have revan ds then they can just use the mask again like they did in a lot of the cutscenes in kotor1. then appearance and gender is not such an issue. i really don't want to play as revan again though purely because you'd have to start at level 20 at least, which would spoil a lot of the game for me as i like to build the characters up. it would be nice if the exile followed after revan too but again i'd not like to play the exile again because you would start around level 30.

(oh, and don't worry about your english, its better than mine

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Tovec · Post by **Tovec** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:56 pm

My two cents..

Ok I am still catching up on this thread. Forgot about it for a while but I do need to say somethings..

Ok as far as Revan/Exile they can't just say who and what they were because of KOTOR II already making it up to you to decide. (for the purposes of what I will be talking about Revan is a Man and Exile a Woman)

The best ideas I can see is that (a) you have a character creation for Exile and Revan in the beginning and (b) it doesn't matter. I'll explain.

a) That when (in the beginning of the game) you make your character with face, skills, etc. You then make Revan and Exile but they are limited to face, gender, alignment, clothing and backstory. All done by option. Also there should be a random option for those who have no idea what to pick - those who haven't played KOTOR before. You would not be allowed to pick your alignment because that is the point of the game to achieve and realize your destiny. Then the game would proceed without the vague and non-specific questions that I personally almost got lost answering. It would also help in the case you forget.

After that I think only 1 of the 2 should return at the beginning of the game from the outer rim. I think that it should be Revan because he was a great commanding general. The Exile forms connections and was tied to the Sith Lords so would (if didn't die) fall in well with the True Sith.

I used to want Revan to join the TS (however) because it would be AWESOME to fight Revan as the final boss. I just don't see it as practical because Revan is a great General and Commander so the TS would easily kill off everything left in the galaxy before a resistance could be mounted. Also GOTO said that Revan intentionally left infistructure intact so it wouldn't make sense for him to rejoin the TS that would have to kill off everything in order to win.

b) Kill of Exile (because he was no Revan) have Revan return from beyond the outer rim to collect all that will follow to fight the True Sith. This way he can be no alignment because he will have been beyond alignment. Exile can be turned like Bastilla was in KOTOR I or be killed all together. This Trilogy needs to end with Revan not the Exile. The Exile was nicely summed up in KOTOR II while more about Revan was revealed.

As far as possible stories and other things that could or should happen in KOTOR that really isn't important. We all know that Bastilla will mirror Revan's alignment because of their death bond thing so when Revan becomes beyond alignment Bastilla will follow. I say beyond alignment not in the way Kreia was (because she was actually DS - d'uh) but in a way that to define himself as a LS Jedi or DS Sith would make him incomplete inaccurate and just generally wrong.

So yes I would like to see anyone and everyone that lived in the two previous games back in some form or another (that does NOT include playable). They were good and I became quite attached.

Editted your colour code, Tovec

- Hill-Shatar

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:47 pm

i like your second idea - think that would make a good story for a game

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:02 am

All of you make very interesting points but here are the points i stand by.

I think they should just assume that Revan followed lightside and exile followed lightside and that revan is male and exile is female or vise versa and everybody is alive.

However the padawan has a master and a crew by the time he/she faces the true sith and is well trained. The padawan should only face a trained sith in the middle of the game and face apprentices in the beginning.

p.s. the reason for my padawan idea is first character had a name revan and second was the exile so in third they could just call the MC, padawan throughout the game and in the fourth if they want to give him a name they could.

GoldienGoldie · Post by **GoldienGoldie** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:49 pm

i totally frigging agree!!! i want Revan and bastilla 2 come bck!!! and if revan is a guy 4 their romance 2 continue *i kno corny...but still!* and if revan is a girl then 4 a romance 2 emerge btw her and Carth...again i kno cory, but it's an RPG after all...and i want revan 2 meet w/ your character from KOTOR II!!! that would be so kewl!

~GG~

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:13 am

True i'd like revan to return but not as a controllable as a npc.

micahel · Post by **micahel** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:43 am

both playable characters
this is how i'd like it:
follows on from TSL, you are the Exile and go in search of Revan in the true sith empire (spoiler<<) along with HK-47(wants to find his old master) and meet Bastila early on (say, midway through the mandatory boring, long opening level like Taris/Peragus) and she becomes a party member. You later meet Revan and he becomes a party member. Other party members that would be cool as well as these 3 are a Nihilius slave that was only just captured by Nihilius before his death and was freed by the dark lord's demise, a trigger happy, battlescarred republic soldier, an assasin from the Geno-Harradan, and maybe ... a pet rancor/terantarek?
also, can we get rid of the usual going to 4 different planets and finding something routine?

x_ray619 · Post by **x_ray619** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:14 pm

Na

I think that would be awesome and everything cuz i love those guys but i wouldn't like it because you would kill every person in your path and the game would be sooooo easy or they would be all Lv. 1 and that would be soooo dumb cuz they are strogner then that.

KyLewin · Post by **KyLewin** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:39 pm

[QUOTE=x_ray619]I think that would be awesome and everything cuz i love those guys but i wouldn't like it because you would kill every person in your path and the game would be sooooo easy or they would be all Lv. 1 and that would be soooo dumb cuz they are strogner then that.[/QUOTE]

There's no reason for the character to start at level 1 all over again and saying that a character should or shouldn't come back based on how powerful they were at the end of the previous game doesn't make sense, if the hero is too strong, you just make the enemy that much stronger. A level 20 or 30 character fighting against a level 50 or 60 enemy will still have his butt handed to him. If they are fighting the True Sith then presumably even Force powers wouldn't be all that effective against them (Malak was able to resist most uses of the Force) so even that wouldn't be much of an advantage.

The argument could be made that people like to choose what sort of Force powers their characters get (so Revan/Exile can't be PC's for that reason), but outside of that, there really isn't much of a reason why they couldn't be the main character(s).