Greatest movie!... maybe 8-)

average joe · Post by **average joe** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:14 pm

Originally posted by Vehemence:
I went and watched Enemy at the Gates last night and would have to say this is now my favourite movie of all time.

I don't know why, but I felt so involved in the storyline and it was an incredible feeling. Finally a movie that didn't revolve around the americans all the time.

The cast involved Jude Law, Ed Harris, Rachel Weisz and a couple of others, including even Bob Hoskins.

I'm really impressed with it and if anyone has a chance to see it, go and watch it! Brilliant, brilliant movie!

Ok, *takes deeeeeep breath* much better

Remembering what you said about this, i rented ENEMY AT THE GATES on DVD last night. Very AWESOME! I wouldn't say it takes any of my "favorite" spots, but it was an extremely well done movie.

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My favorite sceen was when Ed Harris believes he has finally killed Jude Law. As he slowly crosses the railroad tracks, he freezes. After complete stillness, he glances over to his left, and there is Jude Law, coat flapping in the wind. Those few seconds with Jude just standing there (you only see the back of his legs and coat) with Harris at a distance are awesome. Their first and only face-to-face confrontation. Very intense movie.

average joe · Post by **average joe** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:23 pm

for some reason, at least on my comp, this didn't bump, so...BUMP!

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:32 pm

Originally posted by THE JAKER:
Right, Phantoms...now this is the perfect example of Dean Koontz. The first two thirds of the book are incredibly scary and mysterious, and then when you finally find out what it's all about, it's disappointing. I think it's a problem with horror - as they say, once you see the cheesy rubber monster, it's not scary. Well something like that. Cheesy rubber monster - reminds me of Dr. Who

The only horror film i can think of off hand that sustains and builds to a cresecendo is Alien (IMO)

Dark Rivers of the Heart - (hereafter DROTH for short) I think this was the first Koontz I read, blew me away, and then every other one I read is just not as good. As I said before, why isn't DROTH a movie??? I think it would be the raddest movie (now it will probably be made into some stinky b-picture starring Gary Busey and Anna Nicole Smith - d'oh! stupid poetic justice)

Exactly the same with me, i however have read probably 21 of his novels.

@Gary stuff ROTFLMAO

Also, the end of DROTH sets up a sequel, yet where the heII is the sequel, Dean?? Oh well.

I think it was too much mentally for him to write (so i heard)

Word · Post by **Word** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:36 pm

Drama: Braveheart
Comedy: Monty Python and the Holy Grail

"Get me... another scurbbery!"

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:59 pm

Originally posted by AJ:

I very much agree, CE. I understood the social contexts when i watched it, but those types of movies, for the most part, are not my thing. And watching it so late at night didn't make it any better.

Film, like any arts, are certainly a matter of subjective and individual taste. I know many films I regard as good, but I still don't like them because they just don't appeal to my personal taste.

Funny...i think this "future" is the here and now for a large part of the population. Or perhaps unfortunate would describe present day society better.

The films was made in 1969, I think. I don't remember when the novel was written. Yes, I agree with you that this future is here now for many of us. Alienation, emptiness, lack of meaning and context etc are really main themes in the arts of the post WWII western society, and I see no signs those problems are decreasing. Still, I enjoy both films and books dealing with the subject.

average joe · Post by **average joe** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:54 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans:
The films was made in 1969, I think. I don't remember when the novel was written. Yes, I agree with you that this future is here now for many of us. Alienation, emptiness, lack of meaning and context etc are really main themes in the arts of the post WWII western society, and I see no signs those problems are decreasing. Still, I enjoy both films and books dealing with the subject.

Oh, it is not the subject that i find to be uninteresting, just the manner in which movies such as A Clockwork Orange present it. A much more recent movie, Trainspotting, deals with the same issues, at least in my opinion. I enjoyed this movie a great deal, though i had to watch several parts over just to sift through the thick English-Wales-Whatever dialect to find the greater meaning and plot. No offense to all of you from the UK...it's just that my texan ears have a bit of trouble distinguishing the dialogue in certain instances. I remember when I was travelling in Germany a few years back, I was sitting in a coffee shop, very much aggravated at the fact that my stomach was about to turn inside out due to my extreme hunger and that our hosts had brought us to a shop which served only sweets (which i'm not big on) and coffee or tea as beverages, which i absolutely detest. Honestly, who eats sweets at 1:30 in the afternoon?! I didn't even get to eat until nearly 3:30 that afternoon...yes, yes, people have faced much more trying situations, but i was young and hungry! Anyways, sitting there despondent to all that was going on around me, an older English gentleman, though i don't believe i could in all good conscience label him a gentleman after the following events, struck up a conversation with me. His accent was one of the thickest i had ever heard. Completely lost to what he was trying to convey, i just proceeded to smile and nod, throwing in the occasional chuckle when prompted by his grin. As it turns out, he was speaking quite abusively towards one of my hosts whom he was angry with for reasons that need not be mentioned (as if this entire anecdote has any relevance to anything

) After looking over at the host under fire and noticing the ever deepening frown on his face, i suddenly realized what the english fellow's wife meant as she stated that her husband was getting me into trouble. I felt awful, as the host was a likeable fellow, and i had been smiling and laughing at the degrading comments spoken against him.

So, i try to follow the dialects of others much more closely these days, though at times i am still at a loss.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:59 pm

Trainspotting - now that was a great movie (Thank god I saw it with suptitles

- but still I got most of the words without)

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 2:18 pm

@AJ: An unpleasant story

I understand you want to really make sure you hear what people say before nodding politely

@AJ & Xandax: I really liked trainspotting. The setting is Glasgow, so the accent they speak is working class Glaswegian, a quite difficult Scottish accent if you're not used to it. Both Ewan McGregor and Robert Carlyle are also real Scotsmen, so the accent is quite geniune, especially in Carlyle's case since he grew up in a very poor neighboorhood in Glasgow. (The funny thing is that I've lived in Scotland for about 6 months, and I've been there perhaps 20 times, I actually understood the dialogue perfectly even though I'm not a native English speaker

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I think Robert Carlyle is a really good actor. Have you seen "The full monty"? It's one of the few comedies I've actually really liked, apart from Monty Python.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 6:09 am

Trainspotting is quite entertaining and it did spark a few careers, but i am not sure of the comparison to on a clockwork orange, they seem quite different to me. Trainspotting is a lot more surreal and its plot is somewhat tenuous.

@CE have you seen Robert Carlyle in Ravenous, now that is scary

Well worth the watch if only for His and Guy Peirces performances.

@Full Monty, i actually didn't like it that much, the reason is probably that i have watched british TV most of my life so that gritty humour of the down and outs is just par for the course. I used to say that Britain can do 2 things (entertainment) Gritty realistic dramas or Comedy, it just happens that Full Monty places the two in one movie.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:22 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
Trainspotting is quite entertaining and it did spark a few careers, but i am not sure of the comparison to on a clockwork orange, they seem quite different to me. Trainspotting is a lot more surreal and its plot is somewhat tenuous.

@CE have you seen Robert Carlyle in Ravenous, now that is scary Well worth the watch if only for His and Guy Peirces performances.

Hmmm, I agree that Trainspotting and A Clockwork Orange are very different, but they do have similar themes, and both were accused of glamourising their subject (drugs/violence)...

Ravenous LOL

That's a hilarious movie!!

"Sneaky..."

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:41 am

Originally posted by Georgi:
Hmmm, I agree that Trainspotting and A Clockwork Orange are very different, but they do have similar themes, and both were accused of glamourising their subject (drugs/violence)...

True, i hadn't looked at it like that. perhaps there is a thematic link, but it is still tenuous. Trainspotting featured a junkie and the horrors surrounding that, on a clockwork orange was more about the effects that drugs have on society (IMHO)

Ravenous LOL That's a hilarious movie!! "Sneaky..."

LOL

Wasn't Carlyle's perormance excellent.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 8:04 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
True, i hadn't looked at it like that. perhaps there is a thematic link, but it is still tenuous. Trainspotting featured a junkie and the horrors surrounding that, on a clockwork orange was more about the effects that drugs have on society (IMHO)

LOL Wasn't Carlyle's perormance excellent.

I'd say A Clockwork Orange wasn't about drugs in the same way that Trainspotting was, it was only really briefly touched on as a part of the future world that is portrayed. The similarity (IMO) is in the theme of free choice, alienation of youth, etc.

Carlyle is a great actor

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 8:11 am

Originally posted by Georgi:
The similarity (IMO) is in the theme of free choice, alienation of youth, etc.

I agree with you on this issue.

Carlyle is a great actor

Watched 'the Beach' last night, he was the best thing in it (apart from the beach which is beautiful) and he only features for about 5 minutes at most

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Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 8:21 am

Yeah, he is at his best when he's playing complete nutcases, isn't he?

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 8:26 am

LOL indeed he is, he was even great in James Bond

He is jsut one of those characters that attracts crazy behavior

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 9:43 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
LOL indeed he is, he was even great in James Bond He is jsut one of those characters that attracts crazy behavior

Yep

Though Begbie (sp?) was the ultimate nutter

He's a versatile actor though, I mean look at the difference between that and his character in Full Monty!

Have you seen Plunkett and Maclean? That's another amusing one

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 9:56 am

Originally posted by Georgi:
Have you seen Plunkett and Maclean? That's another amusing one

That was really good, and the other two actors (liv Tyler and can't remember his name now) were excellent. I liked the mixing of styles, and the music was

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 10:03 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
That was really good, and the other two actors (liv Tyler and can't remember his name now) were excellent. I liked the mixing of styles, and the music was

Johnny Lee Miller

Yeah, the music was good... Personally I think Liv Tyler is a pretty poor actress, but it didn't make all that much difference in that anyway

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 11:27 am

Originally posted by Georgi:
Johnny Lee Miller Yeah, the music was good... Personally I think Liv Tyler is a pretty poor actress, but it didn't make all that much difference in that anyway

Yeah Liv Tyler has never been a good actress, and only got anywhere because of her dad IMO

Did you see Miller in Hackers, he was

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 3:54 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
@CE have you seen Robert Carlyle in Ravenous, now that is scary Well worth the watch if only for His and Guy Peirces performances.

No, I haven't. Thanks for the tip, though

@Full Monty, i actually didn't like it that much, the reason is probably that i have watched british TV most of my life so that gritty humour of the down and outs is just par for the course. I used to say that Britain can do 2 things (entertainment) Gritty realistic dramas or Comedy, it just happens that Full Monty places the two in one movie.

British TV-series, both comedy and drama, are widely regarded as very good, so what's par for you, is -10 to us

I liked that the Full Monty combined comedy with social realism. Btw, what I respect and admire most about British TV is the documentaries. When I see a really good documentary about history or science, or the kind of undercover journalism where corruption is revealed, in 99/100 occations it's produced by the Beeb or some other British channel. Why is this? Maybe I should start a new thread, and ask.