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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:24 am
by Juniper
[QUOTE=ch85us2001]They have reason to be![/QUOTE]
As do we all....
[QUOTE=ch85us2001]*sigh* Ive become to predictable[/QUOTE]
I would not say predictable......lets just call it "patterned"
[QUOTE=ch85us2001]Have you met the CSL???

[/QUOTE]
i don't believe that I have......i've only read back 2 pages....ummmm, do I want to?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:28 am
by ch85us2001
Of
course you do!

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:29 am
by Juniper
[QUOTE=ch85us2001]Of
course you do!

[/QUOTE]
How about I just accept the fact that you have a large sword in your sig...and we call it...."understood"??

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:49 am
by Lestat
Congrats on post 14000 in SF, chus:
As a present these strangely (partially) apt lyrics
Dead Joe (The Birthday Party)
Oh-ho-ho-ho Dead Joe
Welcome to the car smash
Dead Joe
Junk sculpture turning back to junk Dead Joe
Oh joe nooooo! it's christmas time Joe
it's christmas time now for you and all the little
bells are hanging 2X2 the holly and the nativity
oh speak to me Joe speak to me Joe speak to me Joe
oh-oh-oh-ho
Dee---e---e--e--e-e-ad Joe
welcome to the car crash
you can't tell the boys from the girls anymore
oh-ho-ho
Dead Joe, the end

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:19 am
by Hill-Shatar
Lestat, your nuts.
Drive by Hilling.
Oh, darn, forgot to respond to Juni.

I'll try to PM after work...
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:31 am
by Juniper
[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]Lestat, your nuts.
Drive by Hilling.
Oh, darn, forgot to respond to Juni.

I'll try to PM after work...[/QUOTE]
Vrooooommmm.............and then he's gone......*sigh*
@ChuWaa.....yippie skippie on the 14000.....oh, seems not so long long ago when the SF was so young......ok, nevermind....
@lestat.....how wonderfully appropriate!
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:48 am
by Lestat
[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]Lestat, your nuts. [/QUOTE]
Yes? What of them?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:01 am
by Juniper
[QUOTE=Lestat]Yes? What with them?[/QUOTE]
*cough*
LOL
*whistle*
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:12 am
by Kipi
Bah! Looks like I missed again all what was happening here
Anyone still here??
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:38 am
by Juniper
[QUOTE=Kipi]Bah! Looks like I missed again all what was happening here
Anyone still here??[/QUOTE]
**raises hand** Yup, I'm here!

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:42 am
by Kipi
[QUOTE=Juniper1028]**raises hand** Yup, I'm here!

[/QUOTE]
Hi Juni!!
How are things going??
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:47 am
by Juniper
[QUOTE=Kipi]Hi Juni!!
How are things going??[/QUOTE]
Hello Kipi!
All is well here.....I sooo enjoyed my long weekend...spent some time with a girlfriend that I have not seen in ages, which proved to be very thereputic..
But, back to the routine today....but cant complain...lots of people on vacation this week...so, it should prove to be a smooth week..well, at least for now...
HEY! how was the concert!?!
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:58 am
by Kipi
Juniper1028 wrote:Hello Kipi!
All is well here.....I sooo enjoyed my long weekend...spent some time with a girlfriend that I have not seen in ages, which proved to be very thereputic..
But, back to the routine today....but cant complain...lots of people on vacation this week...so, it should prove to be a smooth week..well, at least for now...
Nice to hear
HEY! how was the concert!?!
Well,
the concert was excellent, but...
*deep sight*
www.nightwish.com wrote:
22.10.2005 - THE RECORDING OF "END OF AN ERA" -LIVE RELEASE WAS A HUGE SUCCESS
Nightwish recorded "End Of An Era" -live release yesterday evening in Hartwall-Arena, Helsinki. As you can imagine, the atmosphere in the Arena was wild but also quite blue. This was the ending for a one and a half year lasting "Once" -World Tour. Nightwish wishes to thank everybody for an unbelievable tour.
Unfortunately the title "End Of An Era" also holds a deeper meaning. The open letter, which was given to Tarja after the show, tells it all.
The band fired their singer just after the concert...
The letter:
Dear Tarja,
It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.
Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.
We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”.
I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.
You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.
You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.
In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.
We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.
Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.
Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.
It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!
We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.
This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.
All the best for your life and career,
Tuomas
Emppu Jukka Marco
Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:13 am
by Juniper
Glad to hear that you had a great time!!! do you have any photos?
.....wooooo, that quite a letter.....a great big "F" you....it sounds like it was warrented....what do you think?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:24 am
by Kipi
Juniper1028 wrote:Glad to hear that you had a great time!!! do you have any photos?
I didn't take camera with me, but my friend did. For now, I have only one picture...
.....wooooo, that quite a letter.....a great big "F" you....it sounds like it was warrented....what do you think?
You mean was it right?
Well, after reading the letter, I can't blame them. Especially when one knows how important Nightwish is for Tuomas Holopainen, the songwriter/keyboard player of the band.
But still... just can't be thinking of was it
REALLY necessarely?
And oh, maybe it wasn't made very clear in the letter, but we must remember that the rest of the band doesn't hate her, they just think that the original idea of the band doesn't match with her ideas anymore...
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:33 am
by Ravager
Hi! I'm back...
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:35 am
by Kipi
Hi Rav!
WB!
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:37 am
by Juniper
If & when you get a chance....I'd love to see some of the photos! it seems that concerts are soooo much bigger in Europe than in the US....
But still... just can't be thinking of was it REALLY necessarely?
Unfortunatley, it happens......creative differances & priorities....something new can hopefully come out of it!
Hello Ravvy!!!
Welcome back!
how have you been m'dear!?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:41 am
by Ravager
[QUOTE=Juniper1028]Hello Ravvy!!!
Welcome back!
how have you been m'dear!?[/QUOTE]
Good, thank you.
Another day of University finished and a day off tomorrow...
And how are you?
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:42 am
by Juniper
Did the speaker show up today?
Any plans in mind? Or will it be another day of glorious spam & relaxation?
Whats up with chus new sword...or should i just not ask....
