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Thanks, DesR85!

I agree with you on the point that it'd be even cooler if it affected the enviornment and maybe much more, but I'm not sure that it'd fit in a roleplaying game; it'd be very very hard to make it fit in without 1000 bugs, glitches and irretating moments (sorry for my bad english).

Erm, what type of mage powers? Could you elaborate more on this?

Well, I mean, I don't like affliction, death field and those kind of powers (I like them, but I don't think they are good in a Star Wars game). They give me the feeling of mages/necromancers and those kind of things.. ye.

DarthZ wrote:Thanks, DesR85!

You're welcome.

DarthZ wrote: I agree with you on the point that it'd be even cooler if it affected the enviornment and maybe much more, but I'm not sure that it'd fit in a roleplaying game; it'd be very very hard to make it fit in without 1000 bugs, glitches and irretating moments (sorry for my bad english).

Well, you echoed the very same sentiments a friend of mine said when it comes to videogames in general. He studied programming before and he mentioned that adding more scripts and features is like pouring more sand unto an existing pile of sand, which will result in the sand trickling all the way down to the base. Hence, the number of bugs that will increase the more features and scripts you add. It makes a lot of sense, to be honest.

I've seen games that have rag-doll physics show strange bugs like objects getting stuck in walls. It isn't annoying, gameplay wise, but it does look strange to see an object or a body getting stuck in a wall. There are benefits when using game technologies like rag-doll physics but there will always be some oddities that come together with it.

DarthZ wrote:

Erm, what type of mage powers? Could you elaborate more on this?

Well, I mean, I don't like affliction, death field and those kind of powers (I like them, but I don't think they are good in a Star Wars game). They give me the feeling of mages/necromancers and those kind of things.. ye.

Yeah, I kind of agree here. The new powers introduced in KOTOR 2 is cool but as what you mentioned, it gives you the feeling that these powers resemble mage powers. In both the movies and the videogames, the most widely used Force power are Force push, Force choke, Force Grip (I think) and lastly, Force lightning (Sith).

DesR85 wrote:Yeah, I kind of agree here. The new powers introduced in KOTOR 2 is cool but as what you mentioned, it gives you the feeling that these powers resemble mage powers. In both the movies and the videogames, the most widely used Force power are Force push, Force choke, Force Grip (I think) and lastly, Force lightning (Sith).

first of all i dont agree with you that we should se less force powers. it's more fun if you have more power to select and use,so that you dont se the same things agen...

i think it would be cool if they combinated the "mage" power with pyshic, f.eks like force lightning with criticle strike(so that your lightsaber/blade get a lightning enchant for that attack and do some extra shock dmg)

Mandalorianx wrote:first of all i dont agree with you that we should se less force powers. it's more fun if you have more power to select and use,so that you dont se the same things agen...

i think it would be cool if they combinated the "mage" power with pyshic, f.eks like force lightning with criticle strike(so that your lightsaber/blade get a lightning enchant for that attack and do some extra shock dmg)

I would not like this to happen, again this adds "fantasy game" feelings which, I, do not want in a Star Wars game. The lightsaber is a lightsaber, its a weapon just like the guns we have today, they're not magic and therefor there should be no way to make it magical/seem magical or anything alike.

IMO Star Wars is one thing and fantasy (like LoTR and Warcraft) is one thing. In Star Wars everything have natural explanations (like midichlorians or whatever they're called) and in LoTR and Warcraft there is magic.

Mandalorianx wrote:first of all i dont agree with you that we should se less force powers. it's more fun if you have more power to select and use,so that you dont se the same things agen...

Well, I wasn't suggesting less Force powers. What I want to see is Force powers that fit the Star Wars universe. Not powers that are derived from magic spells found in fantasy RPGs and implemented into the KOTOR series. Force powers like Force Bubble and Force Affliction (as mentioned by DarthZ) comes to mind, come to think of it.

After all, Star Wars is set in a sci-fi environment. I would also find it strange to see Force powers that closely mimic magic powers most commonly found in any fantasy-themed RPG.

DarthZ wrote:I would not like this to happen, again this adds "fantasy game" feelings which, I, do not want in a Star Wars game. The lightsaber is a lightsaber, its a weapon just like the guns we have today, they're not magic and therefor there should be no way to make it magical/seem magical or anything alike.

IMO Star Wars is one thing and fantasy (like LoTR and Warcraft) is one thing. In Star Wars everything have natural explanations (like midichlorians or whatever they're called) and in LoTR and Warcraft there is magic.

Midichlorians or not, you need Force to be able to use lightsaber, so it can't be weapon like any other. People in movies also use it to counter Force powers so it seems magical allright.

obrad wrote:Midichlorians or not, you need Force to be able to use lightsaber, so it can't be weapon like any other. People in movies also use it to counter Force powers so it seems magical allright.

You don't need the force to be able to use the lightsaber, it's just like any other weapon. The special thing about the lightsaber is that it reflects laser (energy) and can almost cut through anything. You need pretty good reflexes (reflexes given by midichlorians? (force)) to reflect bullets with it (normal men and women dont have that kind of reflexes).

I don't think its magic if you can block force lightning with it since as I said before, the lightsaber reflects energy (lightning) and as seen in the movies it can also absorb energy.

I didn't mean that we needed less force power, I just think they should remove all the "non-Star Wars" powers (example: affliction). If they want they can add 100 new force powers that we have seen or heard about that is not taken directly from Warcraft or some other fantasy game/world.

Isnt magic natural in the same way the force is?:laugh:

Drunkside wrote:Isnt magic natural in the same way the force is?:laugh:

Nope, magic is mostly never explained. Did you ever hear any word about where magic came from in WC, TES or LoTR?

Every time I hear the word "midichlorians" I get that little bit more disappointed with George Lucas.

What about Force powers like one which gives you the ability to see through walls or a Force power that grants you the ability to hear through walls (or any other object)? Might sound like a good idea.

DesR85 wrote:What about Force powers like one which gives you the ability to see through walls or a Force power that grants you the ability to hear through walls (or any other object)? Might sound like a good idea.

Yea, the see through walls would probally work pretty nice; I love that idea.

The hear through walls; hm.. in KotOR? That would mean that they needs a new sound system so I think thats highly unlikley.

how about to use your force to open locked doors(i know we have lightsaber and sklls to open locked doors, but it would be fun to see the you can use force powers to open them. and for high secured doors you most have higher force point)

BTW cool idea Ders85

Mandalorianx wrote:how about to use your force to open locked doors(i know we have lightsaber and sklls to open locked doors, but it would be fun to see the you can use force powers to open them. and for high secured doors you most have higher force point)

BTW cool idea Ders85

Tha would be interesting to see in the game. Instead of having high security to open locks, you could have high wisdom. It would give an alternative way to open locks without damaging items.

DarthZ wrote: The hear through walls; hm.. in KotOR? That would mean that they needs a new sound system so I think thats highly unlikley.

Do you really need a new sound system to do that? I think the same sound system should be enough. Can't remember which game have this ability but I do recall that they didn't use anything fancy.

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Ever heard of a game called red faction 2, well this game as maps that are effected by explosions or when a grenade is thrown chunks of the walls are blown out. It would be fantastic to see this in kotor3. image useing a power were the celing fell on an opponent or to rip objects of the wall and throw them at your opponent...

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Hello, Rackax. Welcome to the forums.

Rackax wrote:Ever heard of a game called red faction 2, well this game as maps that are effected by explosions or when a grenade is thrown chunks of the walls are blown out. It would be fantastic to see this in kotor3. image useing a power were the celing fell on an opponent or to rip objects of the wall and throw them at your opponent...

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That's okay. I understand what you're talking about. I do know of a game called Red Faction 2 but I never tried it before. This feature you speak of sounds very familiar to the environmental damage and the ability to interact with the environment used in Half-Life 2 as well. It is cool if KOTOR 3 have this, provided that they implement Havok or any other physics system into it.

Rackax wrote:Ever heard of a game called red faction 2, well this game as maps that are effected by explosions or when a grenade is thrown chunks of the walls are blown out. It would be fantastic to see this in kotor3. image useing a power were the celing fell on an opponent or to rip objects of the wall and throw them at your opponent...

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it's a fun game but would'nt go that far...but i like your idea of ripping the object from the wall and trow then agenst you enemye, as long as you cant make hole in the wall and go true. reminds me alittle about Doku in hes fight agenst yoda in SW3....

Rackax wrote:Ever heard of a game called red faction 2, well this game as maps that are effected by explosions or when a grenade is thrown chunks of the walls are blown out. It would be fantastic to see this in kotor3. image useing a power were the celing fell on an opponent or to rip objects of the wall and throw them at your opponent...

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Haven't played Red Faction 2, but I've heard of it. My only query on this would be how it was implemented. I don't know a lot about the KOTOR engine, so I'll try and state it in an overly-simple way: if you were to break down a wall, then leave that area, the game would have to remember where you broke the wall, what rubble was where, etc. If every wall/part of the scenery could be affected like that, I'm tihnking that would take a lot of memory. In a game like Morrowind, this is handled by only very specific parts of the gameworld being breakable. So I imagine you could have it so certain walls could be broken (with a big explosive animation), but I'm wondering if it would have to be so specific as to lose any benefit.

I think the developers can just make the environmental damage aesthetic like if you happen to break a chunk of wall (or do any damage to the environment) in a certain level, it will stay there as long as you're in the level. Once you go out of that particular level and return much later, everything will be back to normal. There won't be any permanent damage, I admit, but at least it won't take a long time to load every detail of the environmental damage in that particular level.