Bastila and Revan Fans: How would you want to have them back in KotOR III?
Even if there is a chance of having them playable, it is a VERY small chance. Until the new game comes out and we will have them as PC's, I will keep saying they will be just mentioned, like Revan in KotOR II.
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[QUOTE=Fierce]Even if there is a chance of having them playable, it is a VERY small chance. Until the new game comes out and we will have them as PC's, I will keep saying they will be just mentioned, like Revan in KotOR II.[/QUOTE]
It is difficult to have a story revolve around a character who is completely off screen and only mentioned from time to time. Kotor II pulled it off (actually, I think they did a piss poor job of it and would have been better off either using Revan or jumping to a different time period in the galaxy), but I don't think it could be done twice without the story suffering greatly. The story in the Kotor series revolves around Revan. Half of the characters found within it are tied to him in some way and most of the events are a direct result of his actions. This is not a story about three people leading a group of fighters in an effort to stop the True Sith from overrunning the galaxy, this isn't even really a story about TWO people leading a group of fighters in an effort to stop the True Sith from overrunning the galaxy, this is a story about Revan.
I won't argue whether or not he'll be a PC or NPC or simply mentioned in passing from time to time (in fact, in my last post I didn't argue that either, I simply pointed out that keeping him out of the story because of his apparent strength isn't a very good reason), as no one knows, no one can win that argument, but the fact is that if LA and whoever else makes the game don't feature Revan in a pretty significant way they'll have screwed up the story. It would be akin to ignoring Luck Skywalker in Return of the Jedi other than to have some random person say, "Oh, Skywalker? I heard he went to fight Darth Vader, but I don't know what happened to him. I think he died, but maybe he's still alive out there somewhere." They tried doing that in TSL, some think it worked, others don't, but if they finished up the series like that, it would be stupid.
It is difficult to have a story revolve around a character who is completely off screen and only mentioned from time to time. Kotor II pulled it off (actually, I think they did a piss poor job of it and would have been better off either using Revan or jumping to a different time period in the galaxy), but I don't think it could be done twice without the story suffering greatly. The story in the Kotor series revolves around Revan. Half of the characters found within it are tied to him in some way and most of the events are a direct result of his actions. This is not a story about three people leading a group of fighters in an effort to stop the True Sith from overrunning the galaxy, this isn't even really a story about TWO people leading a group of fighters in an effort to stop the True Sith from overrunning the galaxy, this is a story about Revan.
I won't argue whether or not he'll be a PC or NPC or simply mentioned in passing from time to time (in fact, in my last post I didn't argue that either, I simply pointed out that keeping him out of the story because of his apparent strength isn't a very good reason), as no one knows, no one can win that argument, but the fact is that if LA and whoever else makes the game don't feature Revan in a pretty significant way they'll have screwed up the story. It would be akin to ignoring Luck Skywalker in Return of the Jedi other than to have some random person say, "Oh, Skywalker? I heard he went to fight Darth Vader, but I don't know what happened to him. I think he died, but maybe he's still alive out there somewhere." They tried doing that in TSL, some think it worked, others don't, but if they finished up the series like that, it would be stupid.
i agree they could just make the enemy stronger, but i still would not like to start as a level 20 character as a lot of the fun for me is levelling up from a low level and choosing feats etc. for a level 30+ character to work and still be interesting they'd have to introduce a lot of new feats and force powers.
Even though I agree it is story about Revan, still I don't see him (I always play as male, so I assume he is man, no offense) as an PC. NPC perhaps. First - HE IS too strong, and even if you can make enemies stronger to weaken him, where would all his Force Powers go? You would have to start with 70% of powers already learned and assuming the game takes action after KotOR II he would have some ultimate knowledge. Or would he forgot this all due to some big-scale event that would sever him off the Force again? Too much trouble I tell you with making him playable or main char. Perhaps you could make an conversation in which you describe his looks and sex, and after that he would appear as an NPC. And for the Exile, well I don't know about that one. Maybe he won't be even mentioned.
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Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
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Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
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Revan
No, he deffinately will be mentioned cuz the game basically revolves around him but I'm just not sure how he'll be mentioned. I think He'll either be one of your partners or they'll show him in cut scenes mostly and then if you run into him some time in the game and you to fight together against some enemies or something he'll fight like a boss in KOTOR would but he wouldnt be on your team.
No, he deffinately will be mentioned cuz the game basically revolves around him but I'm just not sure how he'll be mentioned. I think He'll either be one of your partners or they'll show him in cut scenes mostly and then if you run into him some time in the game and you to fight together against some enemies or something he'll fight like a boss in KOTOR would but he wouldnt be on your team.
It would obviously be pretty difficult to bring him back as the PC or an NPC because people like leveling their character up from scratch. While I don't personally care too much about that so long as their are more powers for me to work towards (add an additional two or three levels to each power tree and you're basically back at the beginning anyway) I understand why some feel that way.
If I could have had it my way, Kotor II would have had nothing to do with Revan and would have either taken place many years after or many years before the Star Forge so as to completely seperate them. A few datapads about the history of Revan, Mission, Canderous, Bastila, Jolee, Juhani, Carth for the truly inquisative to find and they wouldn't have run into the problem of having events swirling around an already played (and thus leveled up) character or two. But since no one at LA or Obsidian (probably LA) were smart enough to do that, they're stuck in their little quagmire.
I am still of the opinion that all of the characters from previous games could come back and those who like to develope their characters from scratch would get over it pretty quickly once they saw how much there was to learn and how weak their character really was. Hopefully we won't have another amnesia/stripped of the Force type set up for the characters, but I guess time will tell.
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a Carth/Bastila go after Revan type story. Perhaps with the PC being someone they hire to help them find their lost friend. But then there's a possible conflict with the whole DS-LS, who died, who lived thing (I also think they are going to have to declare something canon and stick to that, probably a LS canon).
Well, whatever they go with, hopefully it won't suck, that's all I really care about.
If I could have had it my way, Kotor II would have had nothing to do with Revan and would have either taken place many years after or many years before the Star Forge so as to completely seperate them. A few datapads about the history of Revan, Mission, Canderous, Bastila, Jolee, Juhani, Carth for the truly inquisative to find and they wouldn't have run into the problem of having events swirling around an already played (and thus leveled up) character or two. But since no one at LA or Obsidian (probably LA) were smart enough to do that, they're stuck in their little quagmire.
I am still of the opinion that all of the characters from previous games could come back and those who like to develope their characters from scratch would get over it pretty quickly once they saw how much there was to learn and how weak their character really was. Hopefully we won't have another amnesia/stripped of the Force type set up for the characters, but I guess time will tell.
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a Carth/Bastila go after Revan type story. Perhaps with the PC being someone they hire to help them find their lost friend. But then there's a possible conflict with the whole DS-LS, who died, who lived thing (I also think they are going to have to declare something canon and stick to that, probably a LS canon).
Well, whatever they go with, hopefully it won't suck, that's all I really care about.
Nah, KotOR III ain't an addition, I highly doubt that you would start off with 20 lvl or something. This is a new game. Personally I don't really have to know evrything what happened to Revan/Exile and their crew, for me, they can make a whole new story and just mention them. Although I'm curious how they are going to solve this. Tough call this one is.
In the mist by the hills the day darkens
In this forest death rules
Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
In this forest death rules
Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
Kotor 3
Yea it will be kinda tough. But as for me I really wanna know what happened with those two. Thats like the main reason I wanna play it, besides the fact that its like my favorite game of all time (that and Madden). But it would be really awesome to me if those 2 will collide in the third one and they have a really long cinematic of them 2 fighting till the death, like 5 minutes long, and doing crazy like force acrobatics, kinda like matrix. That would be so ill.
Yea it will be kinda tough. But as for me I really wanna know what happened with those two. Thats like the main reason I wanna play it, besides the fact that its like my favorite game of all time (that and Madden). But it would be really awesome to me if those 2 will collide in the third one and they have a really long cinematic of them 2 fighting till the death, like 5 minutes long, and doing crazy like force acrobatics, kinda like matrix. That would be so ill.
Assuming they will implement (or something like this) an awesome graphic engine (on what I am really counting) this duel, if made properly, indeed would prove an unforgiven sight.
In the mist by the hills the day darkens
In this forest death rules
Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
In this forest death rules
Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
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I don't know if you know that bastila can be killed in kotOR 1, so i don't want bastila in kotORIII. And for revan, if he is in kotORIII, that would probably lead to much bugs in the storyline. so i don't want revan in kotOR III at all. What i suggest, is that the next kotOR is totally loose from the story of kotOR 1 and 2, but with the same gameplay. maybe a thousand years after kotOR 2, or just a prequel.
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What if, in Kotor III you get to play as a child of Revan and Bastila (male player) otherwise child of Revan and Carth (female player) ?
I mean, after both endings (light and dark), Revan stayed in Republic space before departing to the Unknown Regions. Who knows what happened between Bastila/Carth and him/her *winks*.
And for the fact of not seeing that child in TSL, it was only 4 years old then.
I might be far of the real storyline that kotor III is gona get but just an idea.
I mean, after both endings (light and dark), Revan stayed in Republic space before departing to the Unknown Regions. Who knows what happened between Bastila/Carth and him/her *winks*.
And for the fact of not seeing that child in TSL, it was only 4 years old then.
I might be far of the real storyline that kotor III is gona get but just an idea.
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I don't think it would cause problems if they brought Revan or the Exile back.
First as you can tell by the end of game 2 they left it open ended for another game that probably follows Revan and or the Exile to the Sith empire or whatever it is beyond the outer-rim therefor there would be new and harder challenges for Revan and the Exile even tho they where strong at the end of game 1 and 2. We really don't know what the "real" sith are like or how strong they are. So I would have to agree it would be nice if they brought back Revan and Carth (I was a female Revan when I played) And the Exile and Atton (again I was female) to expand on what was starting to happen between them. And of course Bastila and whoever the female was for the mail Exile for those that played male Revan and Exile.
Well that's my 2 cents bye
First as you can tell by the end of game 2 they left it open ended for another game that probably follows Revan and or the Exile to the Sith empire or whatever it is beyond the outer-rim therefor there would be new and harder challenges for Revan and the Exile even tho they where strong at the end of game 1 and 2. We really don't know what the "real" sith are like or how strong they are. So I would have to agree it would be nice if they brought back Revan and Carth (I was a female Revan when I played) And the Exile and Atton (again I was female) to expand on what was starting to happen between them. And of course Bastila and whoever the female was for the mail Exile for those that played male Revan and Exile.
Well that's my 2 cents bye
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Well, I can help you there, cause I alway's play male. ALWAY'S. So, in the first KotOR your lady was Bastila, and in the second one it was Handmaiden\Brianna (she looked as an man for me, and she has man's name, bleh). Second - making enemies stronger is not an good solution for me, as I don't like the idea of being super-powerful at the beggining of the game, and you would be an already shaped character to that point. Of course you could be like an ultimate-jedi and then loose your power, but that's and diffrent story. The whole beauty of playing RPG's is that you start off as an weak peasant, and you end up being Lord of Something-Very-Important-and-Such. You get the point. I am interested in what happened to all those guys and ladies from previous two games, but I don't need to play as one of them, Revan for example.
So, in the first KotOR your lady was Bastila, and in the second one it was Handmaiden\Brianna (she looked as an man for me, and she has man's name, bleh). Second - making enemies stronger is not an good solution for me, as I don't like the idea of being super-powerful at the beggining of the game, and you would be an already shaped character to that point. Of course you could be like an ultimate-jedi and then loose your power, but that's and diffrent story. The whole beauty of playing RPG's is that you start off as an weak peasant, and you end up being Lord of Something-Very-Important-and-Such. You get the point. I am interested in what happened to all those guys and ladies from previous two games, but I don't need to play as one of them, Revan for example.In the mist by the hills the day darkens
In this forest death rules
Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
In this forest death rules
Over this chasm riders of doom and face him with a deadly pale
Spectre face
Grim as stone, ride to the deathfields... Blackness and doom
A total eclipse of the sun
Die by the northern triology in the mist by the hills
[QUOTE=FighterTundra]playing as child=good idea
playing as child of revan and bastila/carth=not good idea; bastila can be killed in kotOR I and carth can run away.[/QUOTE]
In Kotor II do you actually have the option of saying Bastila is dead? It's been forever since I had that conversation with Atton... If I'm remembering correctly, you can't.
Assuming that is the case, then Bastila's survival at least through the first game is assured regardless of your LS/DS leanings. Same with Carth (though I hear that there was something about him showing up at the end of the DS ending if you romanced him as a female Revan), if you're LS he obviously lived and if you go DS he runs off, you can't kill him.
So, unless I was mistaken, there is no reason why there couldn't have been a child between those two couples... though I suppose if you go DS Female, the only way a child shows up is if there was a pretty BIG missing scene in the first game...
playing as child of revan and bastila/carth=not good idea; bastila can be killed in kotOR I and carth can run away.[/QUOTE]
In Kotor II do you actually have the option of saying Bastila is dead? It's been forever since I had that conversation with Atton... If I'm remembering correctly, you can't.
Assuming that is the case, then Bastila's survival at least through the first game is assured regardless of your LS/DS leanings. Same with Carth (though I hear that there was something about him showing up at the end of the DS ending if you romanced him as a female Revan), if you're LS he obviously lived and if you go DS he runs off, you can't kill him.
So, unless I was mistaken, there is no reason why there couldn't have been a child between those two couples... though I suppose if you go DS Female, the only way a child shows up is if there was a pretty BIG missing scene in the first game...
I havent had the time to read through all the 10.000 pages, but i want to make a statement about playing with/as Revan.
First of all, Im a big BIG Revan-Bastila fan, and found that ship amazing and beautiful, and would love to continue that plot.
However, second of all, the only chance we could have Revan in the game, is having him as the main character.
Of course we could through questions find out if hes a male or female, light or dark.
But even if we find out that he is a light male, who saved and loved Bastila, we still wouldnt know exactly how Revan looks, long or short hair, white or black skin etc.
Then of course, I wouldnt mind to Play as Revan again.
To repeat myself, the only way we could have a Revan in kotor 3, is if he/she is the main character.
BTW: Been a while since I played kotor 2, if you choose i light Revan, where is Bastila shown?
Is she the women that talkes with Carth at the end, just before Malachor?
First of all, Im a big BIG Revan-Bastila fan, and found that ship amazing and beautiful, and would love to continue that plot.
However, second of all, the only chance we could have Revan in the game, is having him as the main character.
Of course we could through questions find out if hes a male or female, light or dark.
But even if we find out that he is a light male, who saved and loved Bastila, we still wouldnt know exactly how Revan looks, long or short hair, white or black skin etc.
Then of course, I wouldnt mind to Play as Revan again.
To repeat myself, the only way we could have a Revan in kotor 3, is if he/she is the main character.
BTW: Been a while since I played kotor 2, if you choose i light Revan, where is Bastila shown?
Is she the women that talkes with Carth at the end, just before Malachor?
I just listened to all the cut voice files in kotor2, and in both ways Bastila is alive, and hoping for the return of Revan.
Lightside: Revan is gone, and has left the quest of the survival of the republic to Carth and Bastila. Bastila is really missing Revan.
Darkside: Revan is gone, the sith are losing their minds and cant even find a leader strong enough to use the Star Forge. Bastila is going to search after him.
Lightside: Revan is gone, and has left the quest of the survival of the republic to Carth and Bastila. Bastila is really missing Revan.
Darkside: Revan is gone, the sith are losing their minds and cant even find a leader strong enough to use the Star Forge. Bastila is going to search after him.