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kellinjar wrote:11 pages in, I'm not sure if anyone brought this up..but no..no its not.
This has been debunked so many times I can't believe people are still claiming that.

You mean, there are actually people who believe **** is an acronym?

fable wrote:You mean, there are actually people who believe **** is an acronym?

Yes second post, one of your fellow moderators..perhaps we should send them off to wikipedia or snopes

kellinjar wrote:Yes second post, one of your fellow moderators..perhaps we should send them off to wikipedia or snopes

More importantly, it was the second post. If you're going to comment here, keep up to date. Flog only posts that are very recent. Get more mileage that way.

celzus wrote:As far as I can see there are a lot of posts about this game being bad for reasons that are actually showing why this society as a whole has big problems, especially the US. For example, to have such reactions about anything sexual seems completely ridiculous. Basically it all derives from the monstrous assumption that pleasure is bad, evil or whatever. This comes from, not entirely, but mostly, the church and her overlong influence on all nations, some more than others. People that are especially vocal about not liking the witcher come from the mainstream rpg pool. which mostly refers to games like nwn.

You know, most of the complaints about the "sex" in the game isn't about it being there at all, but rather how it was handled. I don't think anyone here has said that The Witcher is bad because the Pope says so. To steal from what one "Pro" reviewer said (who I can't quite remember the name of) the developers of The Witcher seem to have a pretty low level of respect for women. The bad guys consider them to be witches, whores, and evil temptresses, while the "hero" just screws and forgets them. The two main "love" interests (if you can call them that) basically means a choice of bedding one and ignoring the other for the rest of the game. While this might be an attempt at a "realistic" element, it comes off more as being the developers weird and rather pathetic fantasy where no woman says "no" and the man never has to deal with them after he's used them.

Anyways, that's just my useless two cents to this ancient argument:laugh:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the majority of posts in this thread expound on the perceived pros and cons of this game, which are predominantly the domain of private opinion.

If you like the game, great.
If you dislike the game, great.

Each individual can rattle off various aspects of the game that determine, for them, a like or dislike of this, and any, game.

For me, whether its a game, book, television show, movie, etc one aspect comes to the forefront to determine whether I like it or not.

Does it entertain me? Yes, it does. Great! let's play some more. No? bummer, trash it & load another.

IMO everything else is either rationalization or excuse.

Just my two cents

Thora3967 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the majority of posts in this thread expound on the perceived pros and cons of this game, which are predominantly the domain of private opinion.

If you like the game, great.
If you dislike the game, great.

Each individual can rattle off various aspects of the game that determine, for them, a like or dislike of this, and any, game.

For me, whether its a game, book, television show, movie, etc one aspect comes to the forefront to determine whether I like it or not.

Does it entertain me? Yes, it does. Great! let's play some more. No? bummer, trash it & load another.

IMO everything else is either rationalization or excuse.

Just my two cents

That is pretty much the jist of it, however this being a discussion forum where we - well discuss a game, it is only natural and actual the purpose to discuss the features which make you like the game or dislike the game.
Sure if you dislike it, don't play - but you're still allowed to say why you dislike it, just as those of us who like it, are allowed to do so.
It is the intention of a forum to share points of views amongst other things.

hahaha they have rude words and funny ladies in the witcher hehehehe that doesnt happen nowadays...............oh wait it does swearing.....check sex...........check rude refrences of the previous two.......check alot i personally believe the witcher is a great medieval representor maybe the fantasy elements arent right but the gritty dirty racist prejeduiced society is dead right

gilly88 wrote:hahaha they have rude words and funny ladies in the witcher hehehehe that doesnt happen nowadays...............oh wait it does swearing.....check sex...........check rude refrences of the previous two.......check alot i personally believe the witcher is a great medieval representor maybe the fantasy elements arent right but the gritty dirty racist prejeduiced society is dead right

I suggest you read the thread before you post. First, because The Witcher has already been thoroughly debunked as having anything to do with the Middle Ages, and that frankly doesn't matter, as it has nothing to do with gameplay. Second, because the thread content deals in general has concerned itself not with sex or swearing, but how well or poorly these aspects are implemented as gameplay elements.

Feel free to discuss these points. We'd welcome your comments based on what's been said here, especially in the last page or so of discussion.

ok so sex and swearing been implemented you dont think we have sex or swearing implemented in our society or should games have nice happy themes where no on dies and the hardest thing we have to do is find the missing part of our neighbours broken pot come on games are escapism you want to be able to enjoy the grit of this world in a fun way ie adult refrences coupled with fantasy theme JACKPOT!

gilly88 wrote:ok so sex and swearing been implemented you dont think we have sex or swearing implemented...

Um, no, I didn't say that at all. Please read for content, next time. Let's try it once more:

Second, because the thread content deals in general has concerned itself not with sex or swearing, but how well or poorly these aspects are implemented as gameplay elements.

In other words, "This thread isn't about sex or swearing in The Witcher. Just about no one cares that they do exist in the game. It's a yawner. What the writers in this thread *do* care about is how well or how poorly sex and swearing are implemented in The Witcher, as gameplay elements."

Okay? Back to you.

dcb wrote:It's like a group of D&D high school virgins got together and made a video game full of all the sex they never had, violence they never dished out, and cuss words their parents never let them say. Look, just because it contains elements of sex, extreme violence, and adult humor (and I use that term lightly) doesn't mean it's a "mature" game.

To be honest, I stopped playing at "dwarf cock." Am I a prude? No. Do I want an immersive RPG? Yes. Do pop-culture references and modern cuss words ruin a medieval fantasy RPG for me? Yes. When a game tries to use humor in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way, it can definitely work. Overlord did a good job of this. But when a game tries to use humor to be "tough" and "edgy" it really just comes off as pathetic and annoying.

Not to mention the incredibly awkward voice dialogue. Are the voices themselves good? Yes. Does the dialogue make sense and flow from topic to topic seemlessly? Absolutely not. It is incredibly poor in that sense. Maybe you can argue there's just something lost in the language translation, but really, I think most of us expected much more.

is this guy talking about implementation no he is not why is this relevant because he started the thread also implementation comes down to the players own opinion if the idea of dwarf cock is bad to some but hilarious to others than so be it.

gilly88 wrote:is this guy talking about implementation no he is not why is this relevant because he started the thread also implementation comes down to the players own opinion if the idea of dwarf cock is bad to some but hilarious to others than so be it.

Then with due respect, you need to read the thread, to understand the original poster's comments. Because the initial poster explains only a couple of posts down from his first one:

I don't have a problem with computer games being rated mature. Nor do I have problems with mature elements, such as sex, swearing...However, to me, and it appears to other as well, this game falls short on implementing the adult humor and sex elements into the game....

So again, as he explained, it's about implementation. He doesn't like the way sex, etc, has been implemented in The Witcher.

hang on hang on did you even listen to what i said. i said i was commenting on the first post i do not need people like you telling me i have to respond in a certain way anyone else who feels that i have no right to comment their opinions please go ahead anyone who feels i am fully within my rights to comment on the first post please tell fable he is in no position to preach to me about what i can or cant do in a forum

gilly88 wrote:hang on hang on did you even listen to what i said. i said i was commenting on the first post i do not need people like you telling me i have to respond in a certain way anyone else who feels that i have no right to comment their opinions please go ahead anyone who feels i am fully within my rights to comment on the first post please tell fable he is in no position to preach to me about what i can or cant do in a forum

The issue is that by taking one single post out of a long thread (and "old") to focus on, you basically take it out of context. Especially when ignoring the explaining of said post by the poster himself.
Just as if you jump into the end of a conversation which have moved far and then respond to the opening premise.
Basically the conversation has moved on, explanations for points of views have been stated, then it is not preferable to ignore said explanations when wanting to participate.
It is not preferable to ignore the context.

i personally find the witcher one of the best rpg games iv played.i have to add though that the first time i tried it i uninstalled it cuz i found it borin.but after some thought,after some upgrades n the second patch, i decided to give it a try once again.well i really enjoyed it.n the part that i really liked in the whole game is the plot, wher everythin is neutral,grey colored.there is no evil force that wants to bring fire n death to the world just cuz it liked it so,like great games that i still play n enjoy(nwn2,kotor,oblivion).with whichever way u play through the game,everythin seems to have their rights n wrongs.there is no evil n no good.even the reason that the last boss did what he did seemed to be "good" even if the means were not the best.aslo it is the first time(for me at least) that we see a fight between humans n elves.there r no orcs or undead kings that always play the villains.it is not a fight between "beaties" n "uglies".it is a conflict of ideals n survival.n the both sides seem to be righteous.

also the only nude in the game r the cards,some creatures(vamps n bruxas) n the dryads.the first u can avoid by pickin the dialog option "im in a hurry".the second,well u dont even notice it cuz if u do u die.the third,well if u like green-skinned chiks with leaves on their hair then u just found ur game,even if they r only two,they dont serve the plot n they r not in places u reach easily,so u can avoid them.

for the sailor mouth of geralt n a few npcs.how do u expect a great-mutant-monster-slayer-that-has-seen-everythin-in-this-life to talk?or a thug?or a sailor in the game?also if we touch the matter "they were not talkin like this in medieval" then the developers sould start usin older english in their games(has any of u played vampire the masquerade redemption???).i really hated the "thrice-cursed shadow":speech: phrase my char in nwn2 uses to so his bad mood .id prefer listenin him say "ψοφα κολοπουσταρα".

if we want to talk about the theme of the game,then it earns an 11 to 10 from me.racism,politics,personal gain,corruption,drugs,prostitution,child abuse.all things that remind the real world.also cuz the game is based in the book then it must be like it.n the book speaks about these things in a fantasy scheme.n the book is great,far better than the game.i enjoyed it even more than lotr.

to anyone that hasnt played the witcher,give it a try.if u didnt like it as it was,try the new patch or the new release.for the ones that like it(even a little) read the books(if u havent yet).

celzus wrote:As far as I can see there are a lot of posts about this game being bad for reasons that are actually showing why this society as a whole has big problems, especially the US. For example, to have such reactions about anything sexual seems completely ridiculous. Basically it all derives from the monstrous assumption that pleasure is bad, evil or whatever. This comes from, not entirely, but mostly, the church and her overlong influence on all nations, some more than others. People that are especially vocal about not liking the witcher come from the mainstream rpg pool. which mostly refers to games like nwn.

Now I personaly enjoyed nwn, but if you are going to say that killing hordes of guards, that is people, is a normal thing, and seeing nudity is not, than, well something is very wrong indeed. Now I know this is not the main reason, though of course it's propostreus, but anyone that does say things against it based on nudity and the like can only be excused for it if they have only played sports games their entire life. Because basically every other game, especially rpgs has a whole lot of murder in it, which is infinetly worse than sex Smiley Or is it? Maybe it isn't. Well In some nations you can get stoned for having sex...

Now, this game has another aspect that differentiates it from others, and that is story based, not combat based. Some people think that roleplaying is mostly building up your character and battling stuff, and all the different ways you can do it. I don't, I believe that roleplaying is the ability to get into the role, and the best catalyst for that is story. That is of course just my opinion. So basically what I propose is to stop all these discussions and simply say that the witcher and games like it (though very rare) like torment, belong to a certain type of genre, like say SDRPG, or story driven rpgs. Which is better is the choice of the player (though that's like saying spiderman could be a better movie than say the pianist or some other good film, but no matter.) The point is, you can continue playing nwn and be happy when you say to a woman that you think she's hot and she gets so insulted it's like the end of the world, and you can be happy with that. Just leave other people to enjoy things that they find interesting...

Sorry for my english it's not my native language....

I must say i was just about to write something very similar to celzus before i noticed this post. So i will just add my thoughts of the matter.

Firstly id like to thank Cdproject for risking to create something different from the mainstream rpg. I can truly feel your passion and will to make the best possible rpg in your ability.

The Witcher is over a couple of years the first rpg i really enjoy playing. Frankly after Vampire Bloodlines it seemed as if game developers had lost faith in making rp games for the audience over 18 years old. It seemed that children of 12 to 16 (give or take a few years) had become their main or only target. Titles like Nvn 2 or the infamous rpg introduction for kids:Oblivion, were clearly intended for the young gamers.Even Gothic 3 fell miles short of its predecessors. I would be glad if anyone here could name a mature rpg for PC released after the Bloodlines 2004

As for the critcism on the language: I think that taking into account the whole theme of The Witcher, i found the dialogs F***ing great!

As for the dating/sex: I have to admit that in this cace it´s quantity above quality... thats sad concidering the intrigueing women who you simply dont have the chance to get to know more. In any cace it seems unreal and awkward if just after a couple of lines of dialog you are ready to jump to bed.
Dont get me wrong, it´s completely in order if you are dealing with a hooker.
I think that many women of The Witcher deserve more care than they recieve

As for the nudity: I can´t think of anyone being offended by the naked beauty of a woman even if shes a Dryad :laugh:

phelot43 wrote:You know, most of the complaints about the "sex" in the game isn't about it being there at all, but rather how it was handled. I don't think anyone here has said that The Witcher is bad because the Pope says so. To steal from what one "Pro" reviewer said (who I can't quite remember the name of) the developers of The Witcher seem to have a pretty low level of respect for women. The bad guys consider them to be witches, whores, and evil temptresses, while the "hero" just screws and forgets them. The two main "love" interests (if you can call them that) basically means a choice of bedding one and ignoring the other for the rest of the game. While this might be an attempt at a "realistic" element, it comes off more as being the developers weird and rather pathetic fantasy where no woman says "no" and the man never has to deal with them after he's used them.

Anyways, that's just my useless two cents to this ancient argument:laugh:

And what have been 'mature', 'better', 'less nerdy' way of handling sex and violence in The Witcher be?
I have yet to see anything concrete as to the actual handling through these sily 12 pages of dozen opinions and none better than the other.

And in case you have not noticed, women still get treated badly these days. Check up how much money a woman in an identical job earns compared to a man. Here in germany it's roughly 20% difference and I am pretty sure that other countries will present similar differences in margins. I read enough articles and numbers that actually the most violence done to women is behind the walls in the cosy confines of what the typical human calls 'marriage'.
Same goes to rape of children so stop this nonsense with a 'mature' 'realistc' 'nerdy' bla bla aproach.
No computer game has yet come close to reality in terms of unfairness, racism, brutality, 'evilness', etc. whatsoever. None.

There is no problem that a game treats a certain gender/race/etc. badly.
It's a game. Nothing else. In fact the developers have mentioned that this game contains heavy racism/etc and that it is purely fictional.

Seeing how cherished films like James Bond is and a lot of other films where the good looking guy walzes in looks into her eyes and takes her like a baby takes candy in a store I find your last comment very amusing and in a way hipocritical.

James Bond doesn't claim to be a gritty and realistic film. Also James Bond is also subject to criticism. So if your ideal is for witcher to be as good as James Bond then perhaps it has succeeded.

By the way I enjoy the Witcher as a game, but I don't think the sexual content of the Witcher is too realistic or meaningful too me as a human. But then again I didn't look to Witcher to be a moving dramatic story. It is a fantasy adventure. This is much the same reason I didn't hate Donkey Kong because it was not realistic enough.

I also enjoyed playing the Witcher, even though I find the sexual themes pretty juvenile at best and similar to how fighting games depict female characters. How it sparked controversy compared to the latter amazes me sometimes. Big, bouncing breasts are okay but off-screen sex is a cry for concern? What a load of bollocks.

Claudius wrote:James Bond doesn't claim to be a gritty and realistic film. Also James Bond is also subject to criticism. So if your ideal is for witcher to be as good as James Bond then perhaps it has succeeded.

By the way I enjoy the Witcher as a game, but I don't think the sexual content of the Witcher is too realistic or meaningful too me as a human. But then again I didn't look to Witcher to be a moving dramatic story. It is a fantasy adventure. This is much the same reason I didn't hate Donkey Kong because it was not realistic enough.

Where does the Witcher claim it's a realistic film/game? The setting alone prevents that in any way and I cannot remember any developer or the manual stating that the Witcher tries to be realistic.
The sex in this game is nothing but eye candy and can be completely avoided. Nothing more. There is neither the time nor a reason to implement it another way. If I wanted to have a 'realistic' or 'mature' way of having sex I'd try to get interested in a relationship again and do it for real in my bed.

What it does add is a certain flavour/atmosphere nothing else. If you do not like it ignore it. The Witcher can be completely played without having sex.

As to women get treated really badly I really wonder where exactly do you see a scene where a woman for example gets beaten up by a pimp/husband/whatever or one gets raped etc. since I can't remember any scene where you can see something in that direction happening.

DesR85 wrote:I also enjoyed playing the Witcher, even though I find the sexual themes pretty juvenile at best and similar to how fighting games depict female characters. How it sparked controversy compared to the latter amazes me sometimes. Big, bouncing breasts are okay but off-screen sex is a cry for concern? What a load of bollocks.

Yeah and over 12 pages repeating their opinions over and over. Really wonder why such a flame bait from the first poster has been taken this seriously.