Maybe Legolas should be wearing Elven chain mail...same Ac but much lighter..well, I'm sure you all know the qualities of it.
Yet...with the mithril chain worn by Frodo - he will be killed easily in the game...AC 3 (assuming it's +4 chain) against blunt, and a Mencar P. will crush him in two rounds..
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Well, the mithril armour I agree should be at least +5, if not more. There is nothing better than it in all the realms. I think almost complete resistance to slashing and piercing damage (90%)and say 50% to bludgeoning. Immune to anything less than +2 wpns. Any weapon forged by man, orc or non master is unable to pierce him, the blades are not sharp enough.
Aragorn would probably have a nice set of leather or hide armour, maybe studded. With resistances, kind of like Aegars Hide in BG2. Legolas, no armour, but some fancy bracers that give a decent AC (4) and bonuses to his archerness.
Gimli, is, in the book wearing chain mail, but I think splint mail makes more sense. Gandalf has his Gray, then his White robe, which no doubt is tricky to pierce.
Pippins mail would definately be +2 at least. Kind of like the dark mail you pick up after killing Shadow Patrick. The helmet is also made of mithril, must be worth something.
Merry's got a good suit of studded leather, +1 or 2.
Aragorn would probably have a nice set of leather or hide armour, maybe studded. With resistances, kind of like Aegars Hide in BG2. Legolas, no armour, but some fancy bracers that give a decent AC (4) and bonuses to his archerness.
Gimli, is, in the book wearing chain mail, but I think splint mail makes more sense. Gandalf has his Gray, then his White robe, which no doubt is tricky to pierce.
Pippins mail would definately be +2 at least. Kind of like the dark mail you pick up after killing Shadow Patrick. The helmet is also made of mithril, must be worth something.
Merry's got a good suit of studded leather, +1 or 2.
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While I think what I posted is pretty close to the book, I have to agree that it's impractical if you want to survive BGII/TOB.
In the book, "the Company took little gear of war, for their hope was in secrecy not in battle." Compare this to SOA, where you wake up and basically go out looking for fights and butt-kicking for justice, and you have problems.
In the entire trilogy Aragorn and Legolas are unwounded, as is Gandalf (if you don't count dying after taking on a Balrog
); Sam, Gimli, and Merry get head scratches, Pippen gets crushed beneath the falling body of a troll he kills, Merry falls under the Morgul shadow, and of course Frodo gets the short end of various encounters but that's about it.
Other than Boromir and Frodo and Merry, none of the Fellowship suffer combat wounds really any worse than what your BG party is going to get facing those lightning mephits right out of the dungeon.
If you give the company even just decent armor for BG, you're going to want at a bare minimum some studded leather +2, plate mail +2, good bracers, etc. And then you need to increase the abilities of the mithril coat to keep the perspective.
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that while the Company doesn't wear armor starting out on their travels, they do get the best gear they can find/ that fits when they start facing open battle. Since only Frodo has anything that is unique, you could just make his armor, then outfit the rest of the company in whatever you normally find in BG. Besides, that would be a lot easier.
In the book, "the Company took little gear of war, for their hope was in secrecy not in battle." Compare this to SOA, where you wake up and basically go out looking for fights and butt-kicking for justice, and you have problems.
In the entire trilogy Aragorn and Legolas are unwounded, as is Gandalf (if you don't count dying after taking on a Balrog
); Sam, Gimli, and Merry get head scratches, Pippen gets crushed beneath the falling body of a troll he kills, Merry falls under the Morgul shadow, and of course Frodo gets the short end of various encounters but that's about it.Other than Boromir and Frodo and Merry, none of the Fellowship suffer combat wounds really any worse than what your BG party is going to get facing those lightning mephits right out of the dungeon.
If you give the company even just decent armor for BG, you're going to want at a bare minimum some studded leather +2, plate mail +2, good bracers, etc. And then you need to increase the abilities of the mithril coat to keep the perspective.
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that while the Company doesn't wear armor starting out on their travels, they do get the best gear they can find/ that fits when they start facing open battle. Since only Frodo has anything that is unique, you could just make his armor, then outfit the rest of the company in whatever you normally find in BG. Besides, that would be a lot easier.
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Elvenchainmail for Legolas in a possibility. Too bad, the moviemakers didn't show too much of the armour Legolas and Aragorn were wearing. The chainmail from Boromir and the splintmail from Gimli were easy to notice. By the way, AC 3 for the mithril chainmail (if it's Chainmail +4)? I thought Chainmail +4 was AC 1?
I guess we have to wait for 9 more months before we can start with the rest of the equipment, or somebody will have break in Peter Jackson's house and steal the two remaining movies. LotR-marathon at my place!
Elvenchainmail for Legolas in a possibility. Too bad, the moviemakers didn't show too much of the armour Legolas and Aragorn were wearing. The chainmail from Boromir and the splintmail from Gimli were easy to notice. By the way, AC 3 for the mithril chainmail (if it's Chainmail +4)? I thought Chainmail +4 was AC 1?
I guess we have to wait for 9 more months before we can start with the rest of the equipment, or somebody will have break in Peter Jackson's house and steal the two remaining movies. LotR-marathon at my place!
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Chainmail (mithril or elven, doesn't matter) has an AC modifier or minus 2 against blunt weapons and a plus 2 against slashing. So wearing chainmail +4 you get an AC of -1 vs slashing, 1 vs piercing and 3 vs blugdeon.
Yet, of course, if you make the armour yourself, you can always choose not to impliment these midifications..
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Yet, of course, if you make the armour yourself, you can always choose not to impliment these midifications..
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It's a bit of yourself and a bit of the game when making own stuff, but mithril beats everything of course, but I wasn't planning on making too much uberitems. It kills the fun. I almost have my list complete, mostly based on the book. The things which aren't described so well, I take from the movie. I mean, can't remember reading in the book Legolas was wearing chain. But I did notice it last night when watching the movie again (easy when you work in the local cinema )
It's a bit of yourself and a bit of the game when making own stuff, but mithril beats everything of course, but I wasn't planning on making too much uberitems. It kills the fun. I almost have my list complete, mostly based on the book. The things which aren't described so well, I take from the movie. I mean, can't remember reading in the book Legolas was wearing chain. But I did notice it last night when watching the movie again (easy when you work in the local cinema
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OK, as a die-hard Tolkien fanatic I have a few(ok, MANY) points that I wish to make.
Starting of with Frodo.
Frodo is definitly a bard. He has great lore skill(compared to anyone but Elrond and Gandalf). He is interested in history, can speak and read elvish, knows quite alot about maps etc etc. It also simplifies the whole thing with chainmail.
He should also have pretty poor strenght but high dexterity and constitution, with a wis and intelligence that is quite average. Why a high constitution you ask? He goes for 2 weeks(if I remember correctly) wounded by a nazgul dagger that according to Aragon "would have killed even a mighty warrior of Gondor far quicker". He also resists the ring for a quite long time. All Hobbits are very tough compared D&D halflings.
When it comes to his equippment the Drizzt Mithril Chain+5 would do very nicely. Not any bonuses vs crushing etc since the orc that almost skewered him made him unconcious(aka HP 0).
As for Sting. Made by the elves of old(high quality) and fitted with enchantments against the beasts of Morgoth(evil creatures).
Fitting stats would be Dagger +3, +3 vs Evil Creatures, Enables caster to cast Detect evil 3xday.
Aragon: Definitly a Ranger. His healing skills are pretty similar to the priestspells that a ranger gains a high levels. Also Aragon should be pretty high. If you read a bit from the books and fiction surrounding Aragon you would learn that before he ended up in Bree he has hunted orcs, Fought with the Rohrrim(sp? A couple of years since I read the books) under Eomers father, fought with the armies of Gondor and served as one of the commander of the army of Gondor while Denethor was still young.
Probally a lvl 9-11 character with high skills in bastard swords and single weapon fighting and proficient in spears(the long spears of the rohrrim).
In the game he should progress to at least lvl 13 as his words broke the Nazgûls spell of fear which is best represented by a Dispel Magic.
Andúril, some of the best the dwarves of old had to offer. Bastard sword +4, +1 firedamage, if hit evil creatures must save vs spells or be affected by fear.
I havn't much to say about Legolas, Boromir or Gimli...the ideas all seem fine to me. Except that Boromir is clearly a fighter. Faramir on the other hand is definitly a Ranger or Paladin as he has superb charisma, is a do-gooder if I ever saw one and is a true fighter for good. Perhaps also some special abilities. The Return of the King states that he "has Power over men(cast "Remove fear" as a special ability?)and beasts(charm animal?)". That would probally put Faramir as a Ranger as well.
Eomer could be a Cavalier as he KNOWS that Wormstounge is up to no good, though he is more likely a fighter.
When it comes to Merry and Pippin. Not much of thieves. They never demostrated any of the skills of a thief either. More like Fighters since one goes on and kills the Nazgûl lord(Eowyn only kills his riding best and is then struck down. Merry first wounds the nazgûl at the back of his knee and then strikes his sword down where the head should have been, effectivly killing him.) and the other strikes down the leader of Saurons black Trolls.
The fiction around the blades of Westerness clearly states that the blades was forged by the men of westerness specificly to be weapons against the Witch-king and his servants. Good states would probally be Short swords +1, +4 vs Undead.
As for Legolas. Ranger probally, Probally an Archer even.
When it comes to how powerful his arrows are. Definitly the same as the Arrows of the Hand that you find in Icewind Dale in Severed Hand.
And finally Gandalf. Kensai/Mage. He is NOT a lesser Maia. He is infact one of the strongest Maia after Saruman and Sauron.
The reason why he is able to beat Saruman is that Sarumans will has been broken by Sauron....not to mention that Sarumans skill was always those of enchantment. Saruman was much more of an artificer than Gandalf...gandalf being more of a mage geared towards combat. Somebody mentioned the wolves... First of. those arn't ordinary wolves. They are Worgs. Second. Gandalf was probally exausted after killing the whole HALL filled with Goblins and including the Goblin king(who he cleaved with Glamdring), he most likely used chain lightning....which he used earlier when the dwarves where captured as well(killing dozens, ozone smell....that DOES sound like chain lightning).
Imagine yourself if you are attacked by 50 worgs and your mage has only a few magic missiles left. Also he didn't want to show his true power due to the unnecessary attention from Sauron.
So he is a mage with at least 2 lvl 6 spells which would put his mage skills at lvl 13+. Probally more since I don't think that all of his spells where combat oriented at that moment. So a serious estimate of his mage skills is somewhere along lvl 17-19.
Consider also that he(with glamdrings help) killed a Goblin King, ruler of all goblins in the Misty Mountains, with one stroke. That would put his skills as a Kensai pretty high as well, even if he DID use a Kai strike. MY guess is a human Kensai/mage. Dualed from Kensai at lvl 8 and has gone to lvl 17 as a mage. That would put him according to D&D among "nearly godlike beings" which fits him quite well. It would also credit him with the Überhigh loreskill that he has.
Glamdring is probally a Long Sword +4, +3 vs Evil creatures, +1 Fire damage.
Finally. Considering Galadriel. Give Galadriel the same stats as Ellisime and you can't go wrong, a lvl 16 magic user. My Guess is a lvl 16 diviner considering the Bowl of Galadriel.
Starting of with Frodo.
Frodo is definitly a bard. He has great lore skill(compared to anyone but Elrond and Gandalf). He is interested in history, can speak and read elvish, knows quite alot about maps etc etc. It also simplifies the whole thing with chainmail.
He should also have pretty poor strenght but high dexterity and constitution, with a wis and intelligence that is quite average. Why a high constitution you ask? He goes for 2 weeks(if I remember correctly) wounded by a nazgul dagger that according to Aragon "would have killed even a mighty warrior of Gondor far quicker". He also resists the ring for a quite long time. All Hobbits are very tough compared D&D halflings.
When it comes to his equippment the Drizzt Mithril Chain+5 would do very nicely. Not any bonuses vs crushing etc since the orc that almost skewered him made him unconcious(aka HP 0).
As for Sting. Made by the elves of old(high quality) and fitted with enchantments against the beasts of Morgoth(evil creatures).
Fitting stats would be Dagger +3, +3 vs Evil Creatures, Enables caster to cast Detect evil 3xday.
Aragon: Definitly a Ranger. His healing skills are pretty similar to the priestspells that a ranger gains a high levels. Also Aragon should be pretty high. If you read a bit from the books and fiction surrounding Aragon you would learn that before he ended up in Bree he has hunted orcs, Fought with the Rohrrim(sp? A couple of years since I read the books) under Eomers father, fought with the armies of Gondor and served as one of the commander of the army of Gondor while Denethor was still young.
Probally a lvl 9-11 character with high skills in bastard swords and single weapon fighting and proficient in spears(the long spears of the rohrrim).
In the game he should progress to at least lvl 13 as his words broke the Nazgûls spell of fear which is best represented by a Dispel Magic.
Andúril, some of the best the dwarves of old had to offer. Bastard sword +4, +1 firedamage, if hit evil creatures must save vs spells or be affected by fear.
I havn't much to say about Legolas, Boromir or Gimli...the ideas all seem fine to me. Except that Boromir is clearly a fighter. Faramir on the other hand is definitly a Ranger or Paladin as he has superb charisma, is a do-gooder if I ever saw one and is a true fighter for good. Perhaps also some special abilities. The Return of the King states that he "has Power over men(cast "Remove fear" as a special ability?)and beasts(charm animal?)". That would probally put Faramir as a Ranger as well.
Eomer could be a Cavalier as he KNOWS that Wormstounge is up to no good, though he is more likely a fighter.
When it comes to Merry and Pippin. Not much of thieves. They never demostrated any of the skills of a thief either. More like Fighters since one goes on and kills the Nazgûl lord(Eowyn only kills his riding best and is then struck down. Merry first wounds the nazgûl at the back of his knee and then strikes his sword down where the head should have been, effectivly killing him.) and the other strikes down the leader of Saurons black Trolls.
The fiction around the blades of Westerness clearly states that the blades was forged by the men of westerness specificly to be weapons against the Witch-king and his servants. Good states would probally be Short swords +1, +4 vs Undead.
As for Legolas. Ranger probally, Probally an Archer even.
When it comes to how powerful his arrows are. Definitly the same as the Arrows of the Hand that you find in Icewind Dale in Severed Hand.
And finally Gandalf. Kensai/Mage. He is NOT a lesser Maia. He is infact one of the strongest Maia after Saruman and Sauron.
The reason why he is able to beat Saruman is that Sarumans will has been broken by Sauron....not to mention that Sarumans skill was always those of enchantment. Saruman was much more of an artificer than Gandalf...gandalf being more of a mage geared towards combat. Somebody mentioned the wolves... First of. those arn't ordinary wolves. They are Worgs. Second. Gandalf was probally exausted after killing the whole HALL filled with Goblins and including the Goblin king(who he cleaved with Glamdring), he most likely used chain lightning....which he used earlier when the dwarves where captured as well(killing dozens, ozone smell....that DOES sound like chain lightning).
Imagine yourself if you are attacked by 50 worgs and your mage has only a few magic missiles left. Also he didn't want to show his true power due to the unnecessary attention from Sauron.
So he is a mage with at least 2 lvl 6 spells which would put his mage skills at lvl 13+. Probally more since I don't think that all of his spells where combat oriented at that moment. So a serious estimate of his mage skills is somewhere along lvl 17-19.
Consider also that he(with glamdrings help) killed a Goblin King, ruler of all goblins in the Misty Mountains, with one stroke. That would put his skills as a Kensai pretty high as well, even if he DID use a Kai strike. MY guess is a human Kensai/mage. Dualed from Kensai at lvl 8 and has gone to lvl 17 as a mage. That would put him according to D&D among "nearly godlike beings" which fits him quite well. It would also credit him with the Überhigh loreskill that he has.
Glamdring is probally a Long Sword +4, +3 vs Evil creatures, +1 Fire damage.
Finally. Considering Galadriel. Give Galadriel the same stats as Ellisime and you can't go wrong, a lvl 16 magic user. My Guess is a lvl 16 diviner considering the Bowl of Galadriel.
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Galadriel is "above" adventuring, therefore I don't think she'd make a good addition to a party of six. I like the idea of Frodo being a bard...
So heres a doosie of a question. If the remaining party members, after Frodo and Bilbo left for the Elven Sanctuary, if Gimli, Legolas, Merry, Pippin and Aragorn started adventuring again just for the hell of it, what kind of fallout would there be?
And also, Gandalf mentioned an evil greater than Sauron, who might this be?
Galadriel is "above" adventuring, therefore I don't think she'd make a good addition to a party of six. I like the idea of Frodo being a bard...
So heres a doosie of a question. If the remaining party members, after Frodo and Bilbo left for the Elven Sanctuary, if Gimli, Legolas, Merry, Pippin and Aragorn started adventuring again just for the hell of it, what kind of fallout would there be?
And also, Gandalf mentioned an evil greater than Sauron, who might this be?
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Pfff, I was hoping no one would know and we could have a jolly ol' debate!
Silly me!
Cmon, Timeless void my ass. That'd never stop The Fellowship Mk. 2. I mean really! Buncha quitters without a Baggins in the mix. Or Gandalf for that matter.
Hmmm, how important to the whole mess do you suppose hobbits were? Both bore the ring, and was that it?
Silly me!
Cmon, Timeless void my ass. That'd never stop The Fellowship Mk. 2. I mean really! Buncha quitters without a Baggins in the mix. Or Gandalf for that matter.
Hmmm, how important to the whole mess do you suppose hobbits were? Both bore the ring, and was that it?
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If you give him armor which can't be removed than you can work the spells into the armour, that would give the same thing. Although I would go for a cloack with Gandalf. I don't recall him wearing armour (not even in the part in Rohan, where is said that Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas were given armour, shields and weapons of their picking, but Gandalf only wore his cloak and Glamdring)
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Well. That would make sense if you had a cloak of Gandalf the gray, which had a certain combination of Spells, 2x Chain lighting, 5x Magic missile etc, and then robe of Gandalf the white, which would have better abilities.
Not to mention his dual wielding of a Stave and Glamdring, wow!
Not to mention his dual wielding of a Stave and Glamdring, wow!
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You start with the robe of vecna and then you build two upgrades. Resistance or immunity to charm (like Gandalf not reacting to Saruman's voice) mght be nice, some magic resistance, but not too extreme. And then of course the white version 1 better AC, 5% more resistance, etc, not too much difference. The cloak itself ain't too special. It's the person wearing it.
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