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VoodooDali · Post by **VoodooDali** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:49 pm

MOON @ Z

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:54 pm

We at GB categorically refuse to be mooned by an object so terrestial it lives in New Jersey.

The Z · Post by **The Z** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:03 pm

Originally posted by VoodooDali
MOON @ Z

*Resists urge to pat Voo's bottom*

Be warned. I have been taught in the way of Be by Bloodstalker himself

(Though he will deny it).

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:32 pm

Re: F1 update

Originally posted by oki101
Revised) Constructors Championship 2003
1 McLaren-Mercedes 39
2 Renault 23
3= Ferrari 16
3= Williams-BMW 16

Woah, Williams are back in the game now. This will be a very good year for F1

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:38 pm

*Streaks through thread*

..Dallas Stars Rule !!!

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:43 pm

LMAO

Must be some type of trend that I'm not aware of.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:53 pm

Freakin' liberals...

Originally posted by oki101
The results from the Brazillian Grand Prix has been amended and have declared Giancarlo Fisicella as the winner of the race.

Hoo-ha! I heard of this, yes. I was quite pleased. It is a shame F-1 botched it up in the first place, and scored on the wrong lap. Really took away from some of the joy of Fisichella's winning moment, and a very anti-climactic way for one of the biggest upsets in autoracing. But congrats go to Fisichella and the Jordan team. Well driven, and well earned. Im sure theres partying in Spain somewhere.

Contraversy over the wreck that Alonso got involved in 1 MINUTE after the original Webber accident occured. This sort of incident must be averted somehow, as it was a FULL MINUTE after the wreck happened. The broadcast had time to go through numerous replays and also had time to marvel at the carnage before Alonso came screaming into the scene, wrecking. This is awfully dangerous for everyone, if drivers drive so fast and dont know where anything is on caution flagged areas...caution means to slow down and TAKE CAUTION...but that didnt happen. Thankfully Alonso is ok in the end. But who knows what COULD have happened...

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:53 am

@tyb
No one wants to slow down and let the one behind them close the gap... yellow flags just don't work.

What a way to win your first grandprix.

Anyways, Shumi is still down and out. Horay for that!
The points are nicely devided over the teams... so thats a plus compared to last year.

Only downside is that Verstappen couldn't score any points for Minardi.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:20 pm

Originally posted by Rob-hin
@tyb
No one wants to slow down and let the one behind them close the gap... yellow flags just don't work.

And welcome to one of the most disputed topics in all forms of racing:

Racing under yellow conditions/running to the yellow flag.

When does a driver stop thinking about position gain and start thinking about the wellbeing of everyone? Its a question that has too much gray area.

Only low divisions like ARCA and ASA stock car racing have employed the idea that no one is allowed to improve position under yellow flag conditions, so that the well being of every driver is the foremost thought. But these divisions are low enough to not generate much interest, respect, or attention. And that is something people should look into. These series do go ahead and start thinking outside of the box and come up with unique ways to save people's lives or save them from injury.

More and more accidents and dangerous situations have developed over the years because people wreck under yellow conditions or push too hard racing to the line. This is something that can be averted, but rule changes occur slowly or change suddenly because of tragedy. And the slow procedures are fine, aslong as its done. Knee-jerk reactions wont solve anything.

The Z · Post by **The Z** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:48 pm

NHL PLAYOFFS

EDM leads DAL 2 - 1
ANA leads DET 2 - 0
NJ leads BOS 3 - 0
MIN/COL: Series tied 1 - 1
WAS leads TBAY 2 - 0
VAN/STL: Series tied 1-1
PHI/TOR: Series tied 1-1
OTT/NYI: Series tied 1-1

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:25 am

Originally posted by Tybaltus
Only low divisions like ARCA and ASA stock car racing have employed the idea that no one is allowed to improve position under yellow flag conditions, so that the well being of every driver is the foremost thought.

Racers are not allowed to pass anyone under yellow flag conditions neighter.
But someone who was driving faster then the one behind him won't like it when they are gaining on them under a yellow flag. So everybody drives as fast as they think they can. Result= defferent and too high speeds.

The solution is simple imo. When there is a yellow flag, all teams put their cars on a limiter. No one gains or losses and the track (and the officials) are safe.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:35 am

Originally posted by Rob-hin
Racers are not allowed to pass anyone under yellow flag conditions neighter.
But someone who was driving faster then the one behind him won't like it when they are gaining on them under a yellow flag. So everybody drives as fast as they think they can. Result= defferent and too high speeds.

The solution is simple imo. When there is a yellow flag, all teams put their cars on a limiter. No one gains or losses and the track (and the officials) are safe.

Hrm...sounds like a lot of pride under driving yellow conditions...if you arent allowed to pass under the yellow flag, why does anyone even care if another car gains on them...perhaps the series should do what stock cars and american indy series do: Bunch up the field, bumper to bumper and maintain a low speed until the green goes out. Your solution could work aswell. Limiters are used in the Champ Car series (aka CART) so that none of the drivers exceed pit road speed. Perhaps F-1 could follow CART's foot steps. F-1 is the only series that I know of that follows such rules under the caution flag.

Ferrari news: The 2002 body will continue to be used, and now the 2003 body has been delayed, and will hope to debut in Spain. So this week at Italy, the 2002 body will still be used. The 2003 body looked faster and better then the 2002 body. Problem was reliability, and they looked like they could use improvement in that area. So Ferrari investigates and has postponed the opening race for the 2003 body 1 race.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:13 am

Originally posted by Tybaltus
Limiters are used in the Champ Car series (aka CART) so that none of the drivers exceed pit road speed. Perhaps F-1 could follow CART's foot steps.

F1 has that rule too.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:42 pm

Originally posted by Tybaltus
Perhaps F-1 could follow CART's foot steps.

Follow CARTS, yuk.

Apart from the WRC, F1 is the only other decent motorsport.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:53 pm

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Follow CARTS, yuk. Apart from the WRC, F1 is the only other decent motorsport.

Quadrouple ouch!

Well I follow all kinds of worlds of motorsports...maybe Speedvision can hire me some day down the line...

Here are the motorsports I follow from favorite to least favorite:

1-NASCAR Winston Cup Circuit
2-NASCAR Busch Grand National Circuit
3-FIA World Rally Cup
4-CART/Champ Car
5-F-1
6-ARCA Series
7-NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series
8-Indy Racing League
9-ASA Series

Note that I like all of the above series. I do not follow Sprint cars, dirt, midgets, bike, All-pro cup, late model, modifieds, or other. Most of those arent even on the air on a regular basis.

Also note-I am a rookie at the F-1, Rally Cup, and ASA series. I was unable to see any of those series previous to recieving the SPEED channel. So thank you Speedvision. You guys have made it possible to admire such series and open my eyes to all worlds of racing.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:02 pm

Well you have two decent ones Tybs, however motorsports which are specifically focused within the States aren't my cup of tea. Hence my support for F1 and WRC.

I wish I had that speed channel though

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:10 pm

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Well you have two decent ones Tybs, however motorsports which are specifically focused within the States aren't my cup of tea. Hence my support for F1 and WRC.

I wish I had that speed channel though

Heh, well I once thought that way about Rally Cup and F-1, but when I watched it, I found I loved it just as much as the typical American motorsports. I saw the oppurtunity to watch the sports, I siezed that oppurtunity, and I opened my mind to the sports, and now I find it quite enjoyable. Im sure if everyone did that with the American versions, it would have a similar effect. Granted, most of you dont get the broadcast oppurtunities to see the American racing as much as I do.

Heh...this is what I have been trying to tell Kam...

The only problem with Speed, is that it does give into the popular opinion, and does show a lot of NASCAR coverage in comparison. I mean the ratings are much higher for it here. But they DO show all worlds of racing and fit them into their schedule. It may not show the same shows as other countries do on F-1 and Rally, but it certainly is better then nothing, and me being stuck in a pure oval world of racing.

Ovals are exciting. Sure its just circles, but the precision on the 1-groove racetracks, trying to hit that perfect line to make it go THAT much faster requires as much precision as road racing, and there are 42 other cars trying to reach that same line you are looking for at the same time. The competition level is so much more equal in NASCAR devisions, and that is an arguement lost in ovals vs road course arguements.

IMO Ovals are just as exciting as races on Road Courses, and since Ive seen both worlds, and seen them constantly, my view is quite valid.

Wow....got carried away there...

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:25 pm

Ah, the infamous left turn races. You only turn right if you want to overtake. I seriously cannot stand those races, but like you said if it was shown here more often then yes the popularity of it will improve. However give me the chicane ridden track of Monaco or the simply amazing Suzuka track in Japan.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:37 pm

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Ah, the infamous left turn races. You only turn right if you want to overtake. I seriously cannot stand those races, but like you said if it was shown here more often then yes the popularity of it will improve. However give me the chicane ridden track of Monaco or the simply amazing Suzuka track in Japan.

Hrm...well the difference is, one is truly racing the track, driver vs treacherous turns. In another, it is the driver vs the competitors and the track's surface and speed. Each presents its own unique challenge. Each one is exciting. Speed is that much higher in the ovals, and the compitition is THAT much closer. Trust me. Watching the best of both worlds, the competition is a drastic change. This previous NASCAR race at Martinsville was the epiphany of dullness, but that is not the typical situation. It is only the 2nd race I have aborted in the last 2 years in NASCAR.

Yes, I know Sazuka. NASCAR did go there 3 years for an exibition race, and it was loads of fun. But the problem was it cost WAY too much and took up too much time, and it had to be cancelled...too bad.

You know, speaking of Japan...there IS the Twin Ring Motegi racetrack...the IRL was racing there as of late, and it was a crash fest.

If you want to see oval racing at its finest, DONT watch the IRL, it has been a let down, but it has its entertaining moments. It seems F-1/indy cars are more fit for road racing while stock cars more fit for ovals. I wonder why that is so.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:16 am

Originally posted by Tybaltus
Yes, I know Sazuka. NASCAR did go there 3 years for an exibition race, and it was loads of fun. But the problem was it cost WAY too much and took up too much time, and it had to be cancelled...too bad.

They should of carried on with it, reminds me of the time that when the WRC was held in Perth they tried out a new rule. Get the fastest time and you can then start anywhere on the track. Problem was that the first person to race off would run slower as they would have to "sweep" all the small pebbles off the track. They got rid of the rule, last time I checked but for a few days Rally driving was *gasp* interesting.