The Cheese Guild

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:55 am

Any one like my chesse?

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:35 am

Which particular Cheese are you referring to, Craig?

Saruman · Post by **Saruman** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:37 pm

I know this has been mentioned above, but I would just like to re-iterate how cheesy the spell mislead really can be. Especially when combined with spell immunity to make it undispellable.

Was playing around with it last night, Edwin clear out the entirity of the Beholder Lair and the Mind Flayer lair on his own while the rest of the party sat back and guarded his image.

On paper the idea of the spell is quite nice, the caster is teleported a few feet away and an image comes into play. presumably the PnP version of this spell is specifically used so that the caster can become invisible and sneak away without arising enough suspicion for any opposing spell casters to cast true sight.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:50 pm

Agreed. the nice thing about mislead, tho, is it prevents retaliation!

You know this, face room full of mind flayers, in impr inv or shadow door, if you cast a nasty spell at them they all come for you...but with mislead no shimmer, so theyr cant lock on you fast enough to come at you. so ya went in, then cast an area effect spell, or used a wand and went out, right? Becasue mislead will restore true invisibility, and true invisibility will prevent monster ai from target locking on you, they will not be able to pursue you or even are aware of your existance after your hostile act.

the only effect similar to this is the evil staff of magi unequipp-equipp trick. which now I finally understand...

its teh mage equivalent to sanctuary blade barrior trick, except with inc cloud! wand of cloud kill is perfect for this trick,, cause you need a fast area effect spell, and wands are the fastest in the game.

or unload a trigger...skull traps come to mind...

be sure to cast prot from magic energy on yourself first! skull traps do pure magic damage, so with this spell, you can literally use yourself to trigger the skull traps! better than sunfire!

Saruman · Post by **Saruman** » Mon Sep 24, 2001 11:20 pm

Personally I was using incendiery cloud, for the ultimate in gross overkills. You cast it while under the influence of a mislead spell and the enemies just stand around in it taking huge amounts of damage per round. So in reality it's a mixture of badly represented spell cheese and rubbish AI cheese, it's debatable which one is worse.

prime_dweller · Post by **prime_dweller** » Tue Sep 25, 2001 4:38 am

Nice topic!

An extra cheesy way of getting infinite experience in Chapter 2:

- Stage 1: sell/steal/sell a wand in the Shadow Thief guildhouse until you get about 500k gold.

- Stage 2: the Copper Coronet has an infinite supply of Prismatic Spray scrolls. Memorize/Erase/Memorize for 7000 xp each time.

- Enjoy!

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Tue Sep 25, 2001 6:14 am

I think I have carpal tunnel and elbow tendonitis from all the click - point - click to do the steal/sell back and memorize/erase/rememorizing I've done. I don't know why I don't just shadowkeep in the money and experience. What's the difference? I've literally sat there and stolen/selled back carsomyr and some other expensive items and gotten 1 million gold out of the guy at the front of Mae-var's guild.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:11 am

I'm sorry, but the exploits for gold and exp are kinda boring to me...all youneed to do is use clua console anyway. much better is cheesy tactics of Killing and Maiming...

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Tue Sep 25, 2001 10:20 am

Originally posted by Xyx:
Which particular Cheese are you referring to, Craig?

Both the mage and the simuclariam one

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:37 pm

Originally posted by craig:

Originally posted by Xyx:
[qb]Which particular Cheese are you referring to, Craig?
Both the mage and the simuclariam one[/QB]

Uhh... and what do the Mage and Simmy do, exactly?

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Wed Sep 26, 2001 8:08 am

Originally posted by craig:
Simerclariem and cast a sequencer select a cleric and bang 3 dooms all in one

This one

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:08 am

How do you erase a spell from your spellbook?
Cool stuff the spell trigger in shapechanged form. Really powerful!!

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:22 am

Bruce when you click on a spell in the right side of the spellbook that shows all the spells your mage knows of that level, it shows the description of the spell. Down at the bottom of that screen is a button that says "erase". Click that button, and I think it gives you a safety check "are you SURE you want to erase this spell??????

" (I hate those extra clicks

), then it is erased from spellbook, but it can be rememorized.

Total number of clicks to erase and rememorize a apell: 6 (if you start in the spellbook on the proper page).

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Wed Sep 26, 2001 7:36 pm

Strange. I only have a button that says done at the bottom of the description.
Thanks anyway.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Wed Sep 26, 2001 7:46 pm

you don't have tob installed, right????

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Thu Sep 27, 2001 6:31 am

@ Craig: That one is on my list of things to try!

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Thu Sep 27, 2001 2:55 pm

How Cheesy is luring out enemies to slaughter them one at a time? No way you'd be doing this in PnP...

And what about using a Scroll of Protection from Magic or Undead to slaughter lots of Cowled Wizards or large, Lich-packing gangs of undead? It feels sooo cheap, but there's not much a DM could do about it if you did it in PnP (other than having those silly undead try to run away...).

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Thu Sep 27, 2001 3:02 pm

Make one unundead

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Thu Sep 27, 2001 3:03 pm

Duel before lvl 9 with a fighter to get tones of HPs(You get the ones from first class; not over 9 so you get more Anomen exploits this perfect)

[ 09-27-2001: Message edited by: craig ]

Moleman · Post by **Moleman** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 9:04 am

Originally posted by THE JAKER:
I think I have carpal tunnel and elbow tendonitis from all the click - point - click to do the steal/sell back and memorize/erase/rememorizing I've done. I don't know why I don't just shadowkeep in the money and experience. What's the difference?

That's the difference b/w cheese and cheating. Using Shadowkeeper: it's cheating. Using steal/sell back: it's cheesing. And, UserUnfriendly, the same goes with cluaconsole.

What's point then? Why not take the easy way? The answer is: ZEN.