Actually the witcher did claim to be mature if not realistic. The developers said something like that. Maybe how the sex was implemented in witcher was enjoyable eyecandy to you? Maybe to others it gave them the sense of something undesirable and poorly done. You are correct it is opinions. Do you have a problem with someone else expressing an opinion different from your own? For that matter do you have a problem with someone expressing an opinion?
I don't think the OP was posting flamebait. His post says he was dissapointed with the game experience of Witcher compared to Overlord. I think you just don't like how he characterized it eg DnD virgins etc.
It's like a group of D&D high school virgins got together and made a video game
Right Speech has four aspects: 1. Not lying, but speaking the truth, 2. Avoiding rude and coarse words, but using gentle speech beneficial to the listener, 3. Not slandering, but promoting friendliness and unity, 4. Avoiding frivolous speech, but saying only what is appropriate and beneficial.
Sorry if this has already been discussed, this thread's just REALLY long, and I have no idea what search terms to use, but w/ all the opportunities to hook up in the game, I started wondering... Was Geralt this much of a "player" in the books? My 1st time through, I was determined to try and avoid the sexual encounters with everybody except for Triss, just for the heck of it, and I was amazed to discover that I actually had to turn people down, and even avoid feeding an elven lady, just to remain "loyal" to Triss.
Would the "real" Geralt have taken all of those opportunities as they were presented to him?
Would the "real" Geralt have taken all of those opportunities as they were presented to him?
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hi, i'm a witcher player from italy
don't know what you studied in usa(that didn't exist in dark ages) but i think the witcher really mirrors what was dark age
these are the reason why i like the witcher, and why i think it has good bases...
1) female didn't have many rights... they were used by men, others were worshipped.. it depended from social class...(romanticism was born much later... )
and this thing in the witcher is real
not like D&D based games where we have paladin women etc... that is not a medieval realism...
2) the power of organizations, state, etc on people
3) the legal violence of "guards etc"
4) people who can make everything for money, a gift, or everything else (quests)
3) i think that in a very oppressed society like the witcher's one (church, rebels from other races, tiranny, thieves, murderers, monsters,taxes), if i'm a recognised hero, a superhuman who kills monsters,murderers and help people..bards who sing about me... stories on me... etc... i think that if i am a legend... i can find many women who wanna go bed with me....
to make a comparison with modern times... think about a rockstar... how many girl are going to have sex with a rockstar... and why isn't it allowed for something much more important than a rockstar in a DARK AGE?(and the witcher one, si really dark)
4)i found dialogs real interactive, not interactive in a mouse and keyboard way, but in the story way, and i found this much more important than the interaction... i agree for example that in some cases you need a speech ability or similar to say something important, but in d&d based games, in many ocassions if you don't have intelligence or wisdom you can't even express an idea different from a standard one... and it's very rare to find ocassions where without those attributes you can express your self opinion...
5) dark ages society, was plenty of bad people, like in the witcher, even the peasant could be full of racism and other bad feelings...
6) for people who makes bad comments on sex and bad words.... probably you haven't study latin society right? we are talking of a big civilized society of the past.... orges, incests, poems who main theme was sex and perversions... a very long list of badwords...
please study before saying something... i studied 5 years of latin history, literature etc (literature high school in italy, you study latin for 5 years).
for example, how many of you knew that roman soldiers raped almost any woman of a conquered nation to "put their race" in that nation?
society in the witcher is a good example of dark ages in europe...
different from D&D alignements...
7) someone said that also in d&d you can see that dwarves and elves aren't lovely when facing....or that in many games you can see traces of the racist problem...
yes the baddest thing i read in nwn2 was "tree climber" or something similar... or "don't trust elves"... i've never seen HATE
i saw real hate between races just in 2 games
a)divine divinity
b)the witcher
things i don't like for example
1)freedom to attack scum people who make comments on me (why can't i attack that stup*d peasant who says "ah a witcher, stay away from me" or peple who discuss how i'm disgusting.... i'm going to prison or what you want... ok....it's hard to get out, ok but let me do it, i'm a superhuman monster, and i would like to be it full, at least reply to bad comments with fear (go away or i'm going to put my sword upp your a**)
2) i liked a lot people interaction, but i think that a more interactive world(objects etc) would be much better... for example some thieves skills
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for the girl who was talking about the bad effect that witcher's book can have on people.... are you really thinking what are you saying? so if i read thriller books, i can be a pontential killer, i also have killing tactics explained...
i live in naples, i think you know what the world says on naples... on criminals etc... but i never saw someone kill another one with a car cause he played grand theft auto...
do you really think that polish pople who read sapozsky books would easily became a raper or something similar or increase their "male reign"?
sorry but the root of the problems aren't those books, is an average culture problem, i think that those problems would exist even without witcher books.
if you don't like witcher books or game just say that you prefer politically correct games, like neverwinter or similar, where a girl can be a paladin, and where the maximum interaction with a prostitute is "hi"... but noone can say this is a real rapresentation of dark ages or other periods before 1800... because before those years an average woman (not noble ones) had no decisions in anything even in her wedding...,she was just the one who took care of babies etc... in almost all europe...
we are talking of a game wich describes an even worse society, where the worst part of emotions of everyone can get outside easily...
a part from historical facts, it's everything IMHO
don't know what you studied in usa(that didn't exist in dark ages) but i think the witcher really mirrors what was dark age
these are the reason why i like the witcher, and why i think it has good bases...
1) female didn't have many rights... they were used by men, others were worshipped.. it depended from social class...(romanticism was born much later... )
and this thing in the witcher is real
not like D&D based games where we have paladin women etc... that is not a medieval realism...
2) the power of organizations, state, etc on people
3) the legal violence of "guards etc"
4) people who can make everything for money, a gift, or everything else (quests)
3) i think that in a very oppressed society like the witcher's one (church, rebels from other races, tiranny, thieves, murderers, monsters,taxes), if i'm a recognised hero, a superhuman who kills monsters,murderers and help people..bards who sing about me... stories on me... etc... i think that if i am a legend... i can find many women who wanna go bed with me....
to make a comparison with modern times... think about a rockstar... how many girl are going to have sex with a rockstar... and why isn't it allowed for something much more important than a rockstar in a DARK AGE?(and the witcher one, si really dark)
4)i found dialogs real interactive, not interactive in a mouse and keyboard way, but in the story way, and i found this much more important than the interaction... i agree for example that in some cases you need a speech ability or similar to say something important, but in d&d based games, in many ocassions if you don't have intelligence or wisdom you can't even express an idea different from a standard one... and it's very rare to find ocassions where without those attributes you can express your self opinion...
5) dark ages society, was plenty of bad people, like in the witcher, even the peasant could be full of racism and other bad feelings...
6) for people who makes bad comments on sex and bad words.... probably you haven't study latin society right? we are talking of a big civilized society of the past.... orges, incests, poems who main theme was sex and perversions... a very long list of badwords...
please study before saying something... i studied 5 years of latin history, literature etc (literature high school in italy, you study latin for 5 years).
for example, how many of you knew that roman soldiers raped almost any woman of a conquered nation to "put their race" in that nation?
society in the witcher is a good example of dark ages in europe...
different from D&D alignements...
7) someone said that also in d&d you can see that dwarves and elves aren't lovely when facing....or that in many games you can see traces of the racist problem...
yes the baddest thing i read in nwn2 was "tree climber" or something similar... or "don't trust elves"... i've never seen HATE
i saw real hate between races just in 2 games
a)divine divinity
b)the witcher
things i don't like for example
1)freedom to attack scum people who make comments on me (why can't i attack that stup*d peasant who says "ah a witcher, stay away from me" or peple who discuss how i'm disgusting.... i'm going to prison or what you want... ok....it's hard to get out, ok but let me do it, i'm a superhuman monster, and i would like to be it full, at least reply to bad comments with fear (go away or i'm going to put my sword upp your a**)
2) i liked a lot people interaction, but i think that a more interactive world(objects etc) would be much better... for example some thieves skills
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for the girl who was talking about the bad effect that witcher's book can have on people.... are you really thinking what are you saying? so if i read thriller books, i can be a pontential killer, i also have killing tactics explained...
i live in naples, i think you know what the world says on naples... on criminals etc... but i never saw someone kill another one with a car cause he played grand theft auto...
do you really think that polish pople who read sapozsky books would easily became a raper or something similar or increase their "male reign"?
sorry but the root of the problems aren't those books, is an average culture problem, i think that those problems would exist even without witcher books.
if you don't like witcher books or game just say that you prefer politically correct games, like neverwinter or similar, where a girl can be a paladin, and where the maximum interaction with a prostitute is "hi"... but noone can say this is a real rapresentation of dark ages or other periods before 1800... because before those years an average woman (not noble ones) had no decisions in anything even in her wedding...,she was just the one who took care of babies etc... in almost all europe...
we are talking of a game wich describes an even worse society, where the worst part of emotions of everyone can get outside easily...
a part from historical facts, it's everything IMHO
Dcb,the poster who started this discussion,was propably annoyed by certain aspects of the game because of several reasons.One of them is that he is propably not a fan or he simply ignores,the pulp/fantasy literature genre,from where I believe Andrzej Sapkowski draws his inspiration.He doesn't have to be a hardcore fan of the genre to play the game,but I do not understand why he should call the creators of a game based on the culture of the pulp/fantasy literature "a group of D&D high school virgins". I fail to understand how people who wrote similar books/comics (people like Marvel's Roy Thomas for instance who makes similarly crude jokes even under heavy censorship) can be characterized like that. These jokes sometimes may seem juvenile and naive inside a violent and "mature" story, but let's face it, that's part of the fun! If you don't get it just move on...if a joke like that insults you (sic), then games based on the hardcore pulp/fantasy genre, like products related to Conan or his polish progeny(thats my opinion 
) Geralt, are not for you! Yes it is crude.Yes it could be called bad literature.And yes some people like it that way!
In my opinion,The Witcher is a mature game not mainly because of superficial elements like sex or violence but because of the way he presents several social issues(like racism,xenophobia), politicians and the gray shade wich covers their morals and the general moral relativity of a world in conflict.There is no absolut Good and Evil people!!! (ok maybe a little evil that's a big step for a game of swords and sorcery! That's the really mature part of it! There is a level of cynicism in the game...and that point of view bothers some people because of their own different concept of the world.The Witcher offers to an adult mind with a basic understanding of politics and history, food for thought and that is why in my opinion it can be portrayed as "mature" and "realistic".
A "medieval" RPG can be immersive without being "romantic" You can bet that people in the middle ages used nasty words when they where drinking mead in the local tavern! They where using words and expressions that we cannot understand today and that is why these words must be translated to another language than Gothic or Anglosaxonic or Frankish or Vulgata Latin in order to revive the atmosphere of a medieval tavern in a modern RPG.The "dwarf cock" is not a modern pop culture reference, in my opinion it is just another crude and yes,naive comment on racism.
) Geralt, are not for you! Yes it is crude.Yes it could be called bad literature.And yes some people like it that way!In my opinion,The Witcher is a mature game not mainly because of superficial elements like sex or violence but because of the way he presents several social issues(like racism,xenophobia), politicians and the gray shade wich covers their morals and the general moral relativity of a world in conflict.There is no absolut Good and Evil people!!! (ok maybe a little evil
that's a big step for a game of swords and sorcery! That's the really mature part of it! There is a level of cynicism in the game...and that point of view bothers some people because of their own different concept of the world.The Witcher offers to an adult mind with a basic understanding of politics and history, food for thought and that is why in my opinion it can be portrayed as "mature" and "realistic".A "medieval" RPG can be immersive without being "romantic" You can bet that people in the middle ages used nasty words when they where drinking mead in the local tavern! They where using words and expressions that we cannot understand today and that is why these words must be translated to another language than Gothic or Anglosaxonic or Frankish or Vulgata Latin in order to revive the atmosphere of a medieval tavern in a modern RPG.The "dwarf cock" is not a modern pop culture reference, in my opinion it is just another crude and yes,naive comment on racism.
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