Caine

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:48 am

The thing about the cab driver at the end, that he sounds diferent....some people say that he is being controlded by caine....but i dont think, but its really very weird that he has a diferent voice

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:14 am

DarkMasta wrote:The thing about the cab driver at the end, that he sounds diferent....some people say that he is being controlded by caine....but i dont think, but its really very weird that he has a diferent voice

I do indeed think he is controlled by Caine and I also think he has the same voice throughout the whole game. Only he doesn't talk enough at the start for you to notice it. Caine possessing the driver does also fit with the Gehenna novel in which Caine explains that he left his cave to look around before.

Marik333 · Post by **Marik333** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:33 pm

Wow, kind of a different spin, Caine possession. I could see that as being a definite possibility now, though... To me, though, the issue I still can't get over is how totally DIFFERENT the voice sounds to me. You could be right, Wesp, I haven't actually read all the Gehenna scenarios (oh, how I want to, though...), so I suppose my ignorance naturally must concede to those better informed than myself.

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:16 am

Wesp5 wrote:I do indeed think he is controlled by Caine and I also think he has the same voice throughout the whole game. Only he doesn't talk enough at the start for you to notice it. Caine possessing the driver does also fit with the Gehenna novel in which Caine explains that he left his cave to look around before.

Thats true about he doesnt talk much to notice the voice...but during the game and at the end its the same line "Where To?"...and the voice sounds a bit diferent...by the way...can you tell me a book of VTM that talks about this stuff?Caine Antediluvians etc...i only read the "Book Of Nod"

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:00 am

DarkMasta wrote:...by the way...can you tell me a book of VTM that talks about this stuff?Caine Antediluvians etc...i only read the "Book Of Nod"

The relevant book would be "Gehenna - The final nights", but I didn't like it much because I think it just cashes in on the end of the World of Darkness.

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:52 am

Wesp5 wrote:The relevant book would be "Gehenna - The final nights", but I didn't like it much because I think it just cashes in on the end of the World of Darkness.

Thanks

Lєviathan · Post by **Lєviathan** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:53 am

I had thought it was the same actors voice with a different accent. I never really gave it much thought, but this would fit with him being possessed by someone else. It would be the same vocal chords making the voice, but a different mind controlling how they are used, so it would be the same voice with a different accent?

djingham · Post by **djingham** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:26 pm

Caine - Jhereg's ideas

Jhereg - I must congratulate you on your post. It is excellent. The whole of the WoD is shrouded in and you have made a valiant attempt to cast some light here. But as ever light brings more shadow!

We will never know conclusively if the taxi driver is Caine but for sure he is one powerful Vampire.

I agree that such 'menial tasks' as cab driving would seem to be beneath the nature of such a creature - but being neigh on immortal means that you do not have to rush for you 15 minutes of fame. You can keep going back for more whenever it suits and in the meantime have lots of fun twisting the rest of the world in whichever way it suits you.

An interesting thread. Thanks to all for their thoughts...

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:43 pm

another "thing that points" that he is Caine...i just found this site...that shows the VTM:Bloodlines voice actors...

"André Sogliuzzo--Mercurio / -CAINE- / Bruno / Victor / Zhao (voice)"

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (2004) (VG)

Here`s the site

Sir Twist · Post by **Sir Twist** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:18 pm

Marik333 wrote:In the World of Darkness, only certain clans of vampires don't have reflections (just as only certain clans have to sleep in a coffin on native soil, can't cross running water, are especially sensitive to sunlight, or can be completely crippled by religious artifacts, regardless of the wielder's "true faith"). So, the mirror thingy was more an affect of bad graphics (humans don't show up in them either, if you payed attention), than any reflection of something's vampiric nature in the game.

Ok, a few points here. Mainly to separate myth from reality.
1) as to vampires not being able to cross running water, that's nothing but a myth. Being undead, like a vampire, running water is not a problem. They may lose their quarry, for a period of time, if there isn't a handy bridge. However, a river is no real barrier to the undead.
2) Actually, religious artifacts do harm vampires, despite the Blade movies. However, the belief of the person must be strong to do so. (This is referenced in both the Anita Blake series and the Dresden files.)
3) As to resting in coffins, with native soil, again, most authors say this is myth. The coffins do allow an extra barrier from the sun, but is not really needed. (Again, Anita Blake.) And no matter the "faith," holy water works.
4) Mirrors, most authors also agree that vampires don't have a reflection in a mirror. This is possibly explained by Bram Stoker's book. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, like being a half-vampire, or even a self-made vampire. I'm talking someone who injected themselves with a mutated vampire bat blood, or even radioactive. (One of the Nightstalkers did this, I think it was Dr. Morbius, but don't quote me on that.)
5) As to the sun, most stories agree that vampires will go poof in sunlight. There are creams, artifacts, etc. that prevent this, but direct sunlight can kill a vampire.
As to changing forms, from human to an animal, I say it can be done, at least in the game. Beckett does it. Also,it's done in the Bram Stoker's yarn. There are other things, as well, but I think if someone were to gather all these stories, pulls out the things that are the same, and come up with a plausible story, then there can be more there than what there is now.

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:51 pm

Caine - World Of Darkness Wiki

This link is from the white wolf web site...here it talks about Caine and tells where he appears in...this is another of my "evidences" to proove that the cabbie is Caine...go at the part where it says "Appears In"...and see it by you selfs

Lєviathan · Post by **Lєviathan** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:47 am

The game developers think he is Caine, but meh, game developers don't always get it right

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:17 am

SORRY GUYS...on my second post on this thread ive wrote something wrong...i said that caine hangs out with a guy who calls him self caine...it was a mistake...i was thinking on Caine and i wrote caine insted of JACK...please check that post again

....thank you

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:11 pm

So...if that black dude next to Jack was in the sarcoufghas...is an antedeluvian....wouldnt that bring gehena?

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:58 am

DarkMasta wrote:So...if that black dude next to Jack was in the sarcoufghas...is an antedeluvian....wouldnt that bring gehena?

That guy wasn't an antedeluvian, but just the ghoul of some ancient female vampire. If you listen closely to Johansen you can figure as much.

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:03 am

I take back what i said...about caine in the sarcoufghas...but the rest of my theory is still standing...just the part of who is in the coffin...i dont know...but wesp...you said ghoul of a female vampire???Of an ancient queen or something?Related to history is that it?

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:56 am

DarkMasta wrote:I take back what i said...about caine in the sarcoufghas...but the rest of my theory is still standing...just the part of who is in the coffin...i dont know...but wesp...you said ghoul of a female vampire???Of an ancient queen or something?Related to history is that it?

Johansen explains it when you talk with him at the Society of Leopold.

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:15 pm

He does?never noticed...only the thing talking about Lamastu(...) drinking the blood of the enemys can make fear(...) etc....Im going to play it again to see that...thanks wesp

DarkMasta · Post by **DarkMasta** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:32 am

Thanks Wesps!!!...Just passed SoL and talked to Johansen...and he talking about the one eyed king Messarach, the one that appears in the end of the game who surely was in the sarcoufghas...now my opinion is gone...about Caine being on the sarcoufghas and Jack getting Caine out...it was kind of silly lol...but now my opinion changes...i still think that he is Caine...and...

1.

1.1-Jack killed every one on the ship and got messarch out
1.2-Jack got messarch out and MESSARCH killed everyone on board..since he was asleep for so many time...he must have been hungry
1.3-Jack got him out and the Kuei Jin showed up, and he fought agains them but they were still able to steal the key and run away...them he killed every one on board because they have seen to much....or the kuei jin kill them when they were getting on the boat

And about Caine being with Jack...well dont have many toughts about that...since Jack is pretty old...he might be one of the first vampires!!!an antedeluvian or something, who knows!!!(here is another opinion of mine that might sound silly lol) And he didnt die like some of the antedeluvians...and hes not in a sarcoufghas like others...and about that that i said "Caine doesnt interfer in Kindred business" Well...maybe he does in certain things....

This are my current toughts

P.S-Wesps, the female vampire is lamastu right?but why do you say hes a ghoul?(It might be a thing that its obvious to know why but im not understanding it 100%...in a part yes i know why, but in another i dont lol...)i think that he is a ghoul because if he wasnt when he got out, gehena would come...but i also think hes a vampire, because of the bloody hand print in the sarcoufghas...Jack got a guy, opended the sarcoufghas and them the Messarch drained him dry...and the guy that he killed could already have blood on his hand...because Jack killed the others and he might have puted his and in a blood pool or some of the blood might have jumped to his hand...or the guy wasnt really ok...Jack could have hurted him a bit lol;....or maybe hes a vampire but not antedeluvian, only a old vampire, and thats why gehena is not happening...

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:29 am

DarkMasta wrote: 1.1-Jack killed every one on the ship and got messarch out

Yes, and Jack made it so it looked as if the sarcophagus was opened from the inside. He stole Messerach, replaced him with the C4 and gave the key to Ming to get the whole story going. Messerach is exactly what he looks like, just the mummy of a long dead king. He isn't alive and Jack didn't drain him because as a vampire he would've burned then. So I figure he must have been Lamastus ghoul to explain his long living, but nothing more.

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