Really hate Dark Brotherhood Guild

SevLives · Post by **SevLives** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:25 pm

You ppl are a bunch of wimps! :laugh:
Come on, what is more fun then loading an old save game with a lvl 40 warrior and massacering the entire city of Anvil :devil: ?? In Morrowind you got so overpowered that you can pretty much kill everything on the island! Very fun in my opinion.

The main quest in morrowind was alot better, but I would pick oblivion just for the better journal.

One thing is that with the DB kajjiit vendor, why does everyone feel bad about killing him? For all but 10 minuets before you kill him he qualified you lower than Hyronimous Lex (spelling?). 2 sentences of scripted speech can't make up for that.

I found that every quest line in Oblivion was bland except for DB and TG. The TG was the most realistic though. The fact that you had to steal stuff on you own accord really sucked me in. In both Morrowind and Oblivion the MG storyline stunk in my opinion.

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:32 pm

SevLives wrote:You ppl are a bunch of wimps! :laugh:
Come on, what is more fun then loading an old save game with a lvl 40 warrior and massacering the entire city of Anvil :devil: ?? In Morrowind you got so overpowered that you can pretty much kill everything on the island! Very fun in my opinion.

Well, it might just be that some of us like to play RPGs.. as..well.. RPGs instead of as first person shooters

Magelord648 · Post by **Magelord648** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:08 am

SevLives wrote:You ppl are a bunch of wimps! :laugh:
Come on, what is more fun then loading an old save game with a lvl 40 warrior and massacering the entire city of Anvil :devil: ?? In Morrowind you got so overpowered that you can pretty much kill everything on the island! Very fun in my opinion.

Sorry that our adult way of playing games offends you.

I've just comepleted the DB questline and I must say I'm split. It's a fantastic story with a great climax. (which I had to play around ten times because I was only level 4) However there were parts that were far too evil. For example, the purification of the sanctuary. I desperately tried to find a way around it but in the end I picked them off 1 by 1.

After my character finds a cure for vampirism he's going on a different path. Well maybe a little daedra worship first.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:30 am

SevLives wrote:You ppl are a bunch of wimps! :laugh:
Come on, what is more fun then loading an old save game with a lvl 40 warrior and massacering the entire city of Anvil :devil: ?? In Morrowind you got so overpowered that you can pretty much kill everything on the island! Very fun in my opinion.

The main quest in morrowind was alot better, but I would pick oblivion just for the better journal.

I found that every quest line in Oblivion was bland except for DB and FG. The TG was the most realistic though. The fact that you had to steal stuff on you own accord really sucked me in. In both Morrowind and Oblivion the MG storyline stunk in my opinion.

Sorry, but I agree with dragon wench and Magelord.

Oblivion (and Morrowind) are RPGs, not shooters. Maybe Grand Theft Auto and similar games might appeal more to your style of play.

SevLives · Post by **SevLives** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:09 am

Personally I despised GTA. It had a bland story line and pathetic controls. I did, however, love kotor 1 and 2. Republic Commando is a fps combined with a strategy, and I was glued to it for a year since it came out. Empire at war was a pure strategy game and I enjoyed it greatly.

As you can see, I don't only like massacreing everything I see.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:20 am

Strategy games can come pretty close to massacreing eveything you see! :laugh: Not that I have played any of the games you mention. And I agree about GTA! Never played it, but have watched my grandsons play it.

I have heard Kotor much praised by someone whose opinion on games I respect.
I much prefer RPGs.

Salidin54 · Post by **Salidin54** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:14 am

Wow, first I'm gonna say right now that in all of my RPG's where you can actually choose a side, I went evil first, then good, then went back as the good character and killed everyone just for the irony when people say "you're my hero" then I stab them repeatedly. Yes I play shooters, as much as RPG's, no probably not. Second am I the only one who realizes that it's a VIDEO GAME hello. The last time I saw realistic and video game in the same sentence was on the back of COD4, where it said that it was realistic looking. So if anyone shares my thoughts, please let me know.

ps if I'm in violation of someone's moral or ethical code sorry but in America no one cares

SevLives · Post by **SevLives** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:41 am

I agree with Salidin, it is a video game. A lot of people were complaining about kotor (highlight spoiler to see)

Spoiler

how Taris gets blown up and all their goody-two-shoes work went to waste.

. Very sad.

I always play good side first, then evil. Then I chose which one I liked best (almost always evil). Some games make one side or the other very pathetic, which I greatly dislike.

Salidin54 wrote:ps if I'm in violation of someone's moral or ethical code sorry but in America no one cares

:laugh:

1 question totally not related to the thread: Why isn't my picture thing beside my user name showing up?

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:13 pm

Yup, it'a a video game. It has 'moving' pictures on a screen, so it must be, I guess.

BUT it is also a Role Playing Game, because it is based on D&D, probably the oldest PnP role playing game there is.

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:56 pm

ps if I'm in violation of someone's moral or ethical code sorry but in America no one cares

May I remind you that this is an *international* board...

Anyway back on topic,
I suppose, in all fairness, that massacring an entire town could qualify as role playing if you are playing a 'chaotic evil' type of character.
However, in terms of the Dark Brotherhood, it isn't so much all out slaughter as it is highly calculated killing; you aren't playing some rampaging nut case. Instead, the kills are carefully and deliberately planned, which means you are either a cold-blooded psychopath or you have some kind of a tormented past. Since I have no interest in playing a psychopath (I'm not sure I'd even know how to play one), I prefer the latter option.

In other words, the DB forces you to consider ethics IF you role play. The only way you can get around this is to play the game with the same mind set as you would an FPS.

But *shrug* It's ultimately all about personal preference I suppose.

Salidin54 · Post by **Salidin54** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:55 pm

dragon wench wrote:May I remind you that this is an *international* board...

Sorry if there's any confusion, but I meant those of us in America don't care.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:42 am

Ah! And you speak for ALL Americans? Impressive!

SevLives · Post by **SevLives** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:34 pm

dragon wench wrote:
Anyway back on topic,
I suppose, in all fairness, that massacring an entire town could qualify as role playing if you are playing a 'chaotic evil' type of character.
However, in terms of the Dark Brotherhood, it isn't so much all out slaughter as it is highly calculated killing; you aren't playing some rampaging nut case. Instead, the kills are carefully and deliberately planned, which means you are either a cold-blooded psychopath or you have some kind of a tormented past. Since I have no interest in playing a psychopath (I'm not sure I'd even know how to play one), I prefer the latter option.

In other words, the DB forces you to consider ethics IF you role play. The only way you can get around this is to play the game with the same mind set as you would an FPS.

But *shrug* It's ultimately all about personal preference I suppose.

Be that as it may, I was speaking in terms of general killings. As you said, there is a very large difference between DB type killings and random massacres. With massacres you merely need to get a high level character really. With DB type you need much more finesse. I enjoy both types, but you really can't do both with the same character.

There is many different types of killings, however. You could be a "good" guy and slaugter every "bad" person you see.

If you are a "bad" person, you don't have to be either an assassin or a brute. You could be a manipulative ******* and twist everyone to suit your own needs and never kill anyone (unless you make tham commit suicide).

Belthan · Post by **Belthan** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:41 pm

It's probably not terribly productive to stereotype anyone based on nationality or gaming genre preference, but I will say this: as an old school P&P RPG geek, one of the things I find fascinating about RPGs is the opportunity to experience things from an ethical frame of reference that is subtly or even radically different from my own. Several of the DB quests were pretty distasteful even so, but for the most part I was just startled (and a bit alarmed) how quickly I slipped into a mindset of "thieves and psychopaths prey on the innocent, but most of my victims must have done something very wrong themselves if somebody is willing to pay to have them whacked". I actually found it easier than playing a paladin, but I guess that's the lure of the dark side...

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:22 am

Yeah... the char I liked best - because it was most interesting - in online PnP, was a Dark Elf male I created to be diametrically opposite to my usual choice of female healer. It wasn't that easy getting into the mindset, but it was MUC more interesting than my virtous girls!

SevLives · Post by **SevLives** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:27 am

Belthan,

how quickly I slipped into a mindset of "thieves and psychopaths prey on the innocent, but most of my victims must have done something very wrong themselves if somebody is willing to pay to have them whacked"

you say thieves prey on the innocent? In Oblivion the thieves work only for the good of the waterfront. The people of the city are greedy people who only care about their own wealth. Do you consider greed a crime?

Several of the DB quests were pretty distasteful even so

Did you dislike the one where you went into a house and killed the other guests?

but most of my victims must have done something very wrong themselves if somebody is willing to pay to have them whacked"

You don't have to do something very wrong just to get killed...

I actually found it easier than playing a paladin, but I guess that's the lure of the dark side...

Seeing as everyone has a different idea of what a paladin is, what did you qualify one?

Fljotsdale, I belive you are steryotyping males...

was a Dark Elf male I created to be diametrically opposite to my usual choice of female healer

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:58 pm

SevLives wrote: Fljotsdale, I belive you are steryotyping males...

Not at all!

The rule of that PnP game was to play the opposite of what each of us normally played. I normally played a 'good' female Healer. So, I chose a 'bad' male Dark Elf Assassin, which is the exact opposite of 'good', 'female' and 'healer'!
One of the other women in the game always played 'bad' female chars, and she had to play a 'good' male char. One of the men, who always played very bad nasty males had to play a goodie - and boy, was he bad at it, lol!

Belthan · Post by **Belthan** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:29 am

SevLives wrote:you say thieves prey on the innocent? In Oblivion the thieves work only for the good of the waterfront. The people of the city are greedy people who only care about their own wealth. Do you consider greed a crime?

No, I agree the TG quests in TES4 are mostly benign and sometimes even ethically compelling. I was just trying to illustrate how people can rationalize almost any antisocial behavior as being, if not completely justified, at least "no worse than the next guy".

SevLives wrote: Did you dislike the one where you went into a house and killed the other guests?

Actually, no, I kind of enjoyed the twisted homage to "Ten Little Indians", and reading between the lines of dialog I was able to delude myself into thinking most of them had it coming.

SevLives wrote:Seeing as everyone has a different idea of what a paladin is, what did you qualify one?

Just the classic "lawful good" mindset, always doing the honorable thing even when it's not expedient, no sneaking around or ambushing people, that kind of thing.

Darth Chef · Post by **Darth Chef** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:55 am

I Find the DB quests to be quite thrilling and fun. It tends to be one of the first storyline's I complete everytime I make a new character. I Tend to play from the mindset that Im an assasin, that if spotted, am dead meat, so it feels more like Im surviving the contract than murdering someone. The best example of what I'm talking about is the quest to Fort Sutch (I believe it was) to kill the sick warlord. It gives me a rush to sneak in, kill your target and get out unseen. It is usually something I can't do as most of my characters a large, fight first, ask questions later kinda guys. Morally, I do have a tough time sometimes, well as far as dialogue is concernd. For some reason, In most games where dialogue is a large part of how your perceived (Mass Effect), I have a hard time saying something evil, but I find it simple (and somewhat funny) to walk up to and behead a helpless villager for no good reason. This tends to force me to lie during dialogue, then stab said person when he/she is walking away.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:44 pm

That is actually one of the quests I really like! I, too, love sneaking around unseen! And I didn't feel very bad about leaving poison for him 'cos he was a bad guy...

But it's 'cos I love sneaking that my favourite questline is Thieve's Guild. My favourite build is Stealth, and I ALWAYS have Sneak in Major Skills.