Gamers! Are you male or female?

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Are you male or female?

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Fljotsdale wrote:True. As it is, I think this poll is a definite FLOP!


You gave it your best shot. I think RPGers are a bit apolitical, as a group (purely a personal observation), perhaps because so many are quite young. Issues such as these don't tend to interest them.

I interviewed Justine Cassell a few months back--she's the author of From Barbie to Mortal Kombat--and she stated the following about the many developers who launched titles in the mid-90s to sell computer games to girls:

In any case, all of these companies were launched. Some of them thrived, and most of them failed. Ultimately, all of them failed. The game companies adopted what is often called an essentialist discourse about girls. They went around saying, “Girls, girls, what do girls like? They like…pink! And lipstick.” They built games that were about dressing up, and telling secrets, and most of them pretty much bombed. Or as the girls told us, “What made these companies think that just because we don’t like shoot-em-ups, we don’t like action?”

But the games companies are pretty happy; for example, Electronic Arts did well from the get-go with The Sims—and that was never intended to be a game just for girls. Will Wright set about to build a new kind of game. He’s put some effort into gender balancing it. He’s hired a lot of women. He’s made sure they think carefully about stereotypes as they build their games...
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Interesting. I particularly liked the comment - "[color="Red"]Or as the girls told us, “What made these companies think that just because we don’t like shoot-em-ups, we don’t like action?” [/color]"

Girlie games are tripe. It's not surprising they bombed. Justine Cassell seems like a very sensible person... or is that because she's a girl and the developers of 'girlie' games were not? I wonder why it is that so many men seem to think women are alien beings with fluff in their heads instead of a brain? They probably all went to single sex Boarding Schools and were taught by single men who didn't have much of a clue about women. Either that or they were avid readers of Barbara Cartland...
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I am a girl!!!! Here I am!! ;)
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Fljotsdale wrote: I wonder why it is that so many men seem to think women are alien beings with fluff in their heads instead of a brain? They probably all went to single sex Boarding Schools and were taught by single men who didn't have much of a clue about women. Either that or they were avid readers of Barbara Cartland...


I think the society many of us lives in are often a lot more gender-segregated then we want to believe. If you look at older threads in this forum for instance there are several young men who asks for advice on relationships in terms of wanting to know "what women want", or "how women think" which obviously is the wrong question to ask if you want to find out anything about a particular human being. I can't see any other reason for this rather then 1. Many people lack any real contact with the opposite gender, and 2. There is a quite large entertainment industry that seem incapable of doing anything but reinforcing stereotypes.
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I wonder why it is that so many men seem to think women are alien beings with fluff in their heads instead of a brain?


Sadly part of the reason is that that is the message many females send out. Today for instance I was walking through Drake's Circus (shopping arcade in Plymouth) and this girl was trying to pick some brochures she'd dropped on the floor, with great difficulty, as the combination of tight skirt and ridiculously high heels wouldn't let her hand get close to the floor.

I confess, my first conscious reaction when assessing a member of the opposite sex is to look at her skirt and shoes. If she's wearing shoes that are designed to deform her toes and calves, and/or skirt/dress which prevent her from defending herself or doing a runner, then I automatically classify her as 'intellectually challenged', and lose all interest.
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I wonder why it is that so many men seem to think women are alien beings with fluff in their heads instead of a brain?

I think that Galraen nailed it.. sadly.

I have almost always gotten along better with men than I have with women. Far too many of the women I've met are:
*bubble-brained
*superficial and excessively concerned about clothing, cosmetics etc.
*unreasonably uptight about simple things
*clingy
*catty, conniving and generally not to be trusted. In my own experience, where men are concerned, what you see is what you get... women tend to act with far greater duplicity.

In complete truth I could *never* be a lesbian. Forget about actual sexual preferences, I simply could not tolerate such continued close contact/living with another woman... I'd go stark, raving loony.

I have some background in gender history, so I'm not exactly ignorant of the socio-historical reasons behind much of this. Nonetheless, I am often wary when dealing with women.
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galraen wrote: Sadly part of the reason is that that is the message many females send out. Today for instance I was walking through Drake's Circus (shopping arcade in Plymouth) and this girl was trying to pick some brochures she'd dropped on the floor, with great difficulty, as the combination of tight skirt and ridiculously high heels wouldn't let her hand get close to the floor.


Stupid girl! Or is she? 'Helplessness' in females attracts a certain type of protectiveness in some males. And a girl doesn't have to be genuinely helpless, just so long as she can act it well. Don't be fooled!

galraen wrote:I confess, my first conscious reaction when assessing a member of the opposite sex is to look at her skirt and shoes. If she's wearing shoes that are designed to deform her toes and calves, and/or skirt/dress which prevent her from defending herself or doing a runner, then I automatically classify her as 'intellectually challenged', and lose all interest.


Well, I'm female and I tend to make judgements as well. All to frequently the judgement is valid - but not always, as noted above. For example:
One of my daughters, a woman with a first class degree in English, very bright, very competant, can also flutter about looking fragile and helpless when she wants assistance. I never managed it, nor does my other daughter, but my eldest is fantastically good at it, and even succeeds with people who know just how competant she really is!
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olla86 wrote:I am a girl!!!! Here I am!! ;)


Good to see you, olla! :)
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dragon wench wrote:I think that Galraen nailed it.. sadly.

I have almost always gotten along better with men than I have with women. Far too many of the women I've met are:
*bubble-brained
*superficial and excessively concerned about clothing, cosmetics etc.
*unreasonably uptight about simple things
*clingy
*catty, conniving and generally not to be trusted. In my own experience, where men are concerned, what you see is what you get... women tend to act with far greater duplicity.

In complete truth I could *never* be a lesbian. Forget about actual sexual preferences, I simply could not tolerate such continued close contact/living with another woman... I'd go stark, raving loony.

I have some background in gender history, so I'm not exactly ignorant of the socio-historical reasons behind much of this. Nonetheless, I am often wary when dealing with women.


Mm. I've always got along better with men than women, too. It's easier to get along with men. Possibly because they are less complicated, as some claim - but I don't believe that's true - but mainly because men like to be noticed, and it's dead easy to make a man feel noticed: listen to him. A lot of women don't listen to men at all, because they are so busy chattering about themselves and their day, etc. And if you listen to them, then you have a conversation with them, instead of talking at them.

I've always been a bit shy, so I've always listened, and men found that VERY appealing. I do the same with women too, but the effect isn't the same, somehow. I have only one female friend and we listen to each other. She's almost as good as my male friends! Not that I could live with her... or she with me, come to that! :laugh:

Um. Not all women are bubble-brained. And I've met some very duplicitous and conniving men!
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Fljotsdale wrote:Mm. I've always got along better with men than women, too. It's easier to get along with men. Possibly because they are less complicated, as some claim - but I don't believe that's true - but mainly because men like to be noticed, and it's dead easy to make a man feel noticed: listen to him. A lot of women don't listen to men at all, because they are so busy chattering about themselves and their day, etc. And if you listen to them, then you have a conversation with them, instead of talking at them.

I've always been a bit shy, so I've always listened, and men found that VERY appealing. I do the same with women too, but the effect isn't the same, somehow. I have only one female friend and we listen to each other. She's almost as good as my male friends! Not that I could live with her... or she with me, come to that! :laugh:

Um. Not all women are bubble-brained. And I've met some very duplicitous and conniving men!


I think you may have hit on something.. for me anyway. When talking with people I'm not what you would describe as chatty, I'm terrible at "small talk," I'm not generally quick to blab about my day, and I tend to weigh my words before actually stating them. So, as a consequence, I listen a great deal...
Hmmm..

Oh.. I know not all women are bubble-brained, I was exaggerating more than a little :D Chalk it up to bad personal experiences, and lingering trauma from the all-girl's school I had to endure years ago ;)
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dragon wench wrote:I think you may have hit on something.. for me anyway. When talking with people I'm not what you would describe as chatty, I'm terrible at "small talk," I'm not generally quick to blab about my day, and I tend to weigh my words before actually stating them. So, as a consequence, I listen a great deal...
Hmmm..

Oh.. I know not all women are bubble-brained, I was exaggerating more than a little :D Chalk it up to bad personal experiences, and lingering trauma from the all-girl's school I had to endure years ago ;)


Yeah, listening is good, especially listening to men. It's amazing the things they will tell you if you listen and show an interest. I've been told some very secret and/or private things in my time! However, I am also discreet, not being the chatty type (except on forums!) so it was quite safe.

I think listening and being interested is exactly what female spies must have done when they wanted high-ranking men to spill secrets. :laugh:

Yuk! Single sex schools must be the pits... though mixed can be pretty vile, too.
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Fljotsdale wrote:Yeah, listening is good, especially listening to men. It's amazing the things they will tell you if you listen and show an interest. I've been told some very secret and/or private things in my time! However, I am also discreet, not being the chatty type (except on forums!) so it was quite safe.


I can understand why one would develop such an approach in an extremely gender polarized society, but in general good listening is a fine habit to develop regardless of sex. I've been told all sorts of things by women and men, just by being quiet in the right place, at the right time, and offering a willing ear.
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fable wrote:I can understand why one would develop such an approach in an extremely gender polarized society, but in general good listening is a fine habit to develop regardless of sex. I've been told all sorts of things by women and men, just by being quiet in the right place, at the right time, and offering a willing ear.


Yes, it's not rocket science is it? :) And it does work both ways!

But it's amazing how few people do it. I think the reason people don't listen is simple selfishness: they are so full of themselves they can't spare a thought for others.
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Fljotsdale wrote:One of my daughters, a woman with a first class degree in English, very bright, very competant, can also flutter about looking fragile and helpless when she wants assistance. I never managed it, nor does my other daughter, but my eldest is fantastically good at it, and even succeeds with people who know just how competant she really is!


This is primal human behavior at its best. Some girls seem to have mastered the art of looking helpless so perfectly, it can be explained by nothing else save basic instinct.
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Then why don't we all have it? 'sob!' :laugh:
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Fljotsdale wrote:Then why don't we all have it? 'sob!' :laugh:


Perhaps because you prefer associating with men who have enough confidence in their own self-images that they don't need to regularly prop it up through transparently false appeals to competency?

There were many things that I remember with pleasure from our time spent living in North Carolina. One of them was not the way Southern professional women would occasionally make flirtatious curtsies--invariably when they wanted to sell something--to the idol of my male ego. Depending on the situation, I'd let them understand that no, this definitely wasn't the way to get what they wanted, and that I found their approach to doing so pretty damn insulting.

This always met with amazement. (Especially from one slick North Carolinian realtor. :D ) I gathered as a result that this method had never backfired, before. But then, it stands to reason that if you're going to treat people as generic classes who all fit in the same boxes, sooner or later some of those people are going to resent it and speak up.
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fable wrote: Perhaps because you prefer associating with men who have enough confidence in their own self-images that they don't need to regularly prop it up through transparently false appeals to competency?


Nah! I'm just no good at it! :laugh: But I AM a good listener.

fable wrote:There were many things that I remember with pleasure from our time spent living in North Carolina. One of them was not the way Southern professional women would occasionally make flirtatious curtsies--invariably when they wanted to sell something--to the idol of my male ego. Depending on the situation, I'd let them understand that no, this definitely wasn't the way to get what they wanted, and that I found their approach to doing so pretty damn insulting.


Men seem to love doing things for my daughter. Even women do. I don't think it's entirely helpless flutter, though. She also had loads of charm. Another commodity I don't have... sigh... She takes after her father for that.

fable wrote:This always met with amazement. (Especially from one slick North Carolinian realtor. :D ) I gathered as a result that this method had never backfired, before. But then, it stands to reason that if you're going to treat people as generic classes who all fit in the same boxes, sooner or later some of those people are going to resent it and speak up.


No, 'one size' does NOT 'fit all'! That's one of the advantages to being a good listener: you find out who people are, so you don't put 'em in a box and tick it. Categorising people is only good for broad sweeping generalisations - which I confess I also indulge in if I don't know the people concerned... :o
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Fljotsdale wrote:Categorising people is only good for broad sweeping generalisations - which I confess I also indulge in if I don't know the people concerned... :o


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Ah... does one say 'well done!' or 'what a pity!'? :laugh:
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