Bastila and Revan Fans: How would you want to have them back in KotOR III?

themystifier · Post by **themystifier** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:18 pm

I dont know if this was said, b/c i didnt read every single post so yeah...
but anyway, my idea is that revan and bastila are back in the third game, but not playable characters. They shouldnt be main prominant characters or anything, but i think they should have more screentime then usual. They could be the masters of the new jedi order, and your just finishing your trials and are on your new mission for whatever they choose. You could also go back and talk to them and what not.

or

you could be thier force powerful son/daughter. simaler to the luke skywalker thing. that would be pretty cool. you could even go through training w/ them or something like that.

well there you go.

Caden · Post by **Caden** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:11 pm

HOW would you want to have them back in KOTOR III?

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SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:22 pm

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Chanak · Post by **Chanak** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:21 pm

Let's all bear in mind that this forum is for the discussion of (the as of yet unannounced) Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic III. While posts at this time will necessarily be conjecture/guessing/wishful thinking, there are other forums on GameBanshee for the discussion of other games. Thanks.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:06 pm

To tell you the truth, I think it would be nice to try and follow Revan to wherever he went (apperently to the great beyond, translatioon: other galaxy), and meet him in the end, but only make him a NPC.

I mean, I played as Revan once, and somehow, it just seems wrong to have to play him again. You wont find out much new about him anyways... think about it, we now know his lifes hisotry, where hes from, what hes done in GREAT deatail, and even his masters names from KOTOR 2.

I dunno, kinda boring, isnt it?

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:59 pm

i forgot where else i said this but maybe he comes back if he does and makes a great disturbance in the force to attract more force sensatives???

C 2 the J · Post by **C 2 the J** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:54 pm

revan is to great for the sith and jedi to even comprehend.. as a fan of revan, i see it pointless to have him in a game of light and dark, when he ov. mastered it all... but if u had to bring him back.. u gotta make him a npc...

mrthingyx · Post by **mrthingyx** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:52 am

I think it would be very difficult to bring back Revan and Bastila into any prospective KOTOR III (and I'm pretty sure there will be one) as main characters because:

1) The above reasons that he's too powerful and his story has been told. As much as I am a massive fan of Revan (much more charismatic than the Exile), I don't think playing him again (as much as I hate to say it) would be as rewarding as the first time around. Same goes for Bastila...

2) As much as the romance side of the game was (eurgh - can't believe I'm saying this about a computer game) actually quite touching and almost brought a tear to my eye at the end of it - even more so with the retrospective POV of The Sith Lords - I don't think it would make a very good basis for the game... true, KOTOR III should have a better romance line than KOTOR II, but hey...

I would love to see the completion of Bastila and Revan's story as far as their progress as a couple goes, but I just don't think it would be workable as a storyline for KOTOR III.

Perhaps the third in the series will have you (as already suggested) as their wilful son/daughter (a year is plenty of time for that sort of business to transpire) who's growing into the force under the guidance of Handmaiden/Atton/that Iridonian (oh, no... please!)/Mira with Bastila (the last Jedi, it would seem) and who's desperate to find his/her sire? I think that would be great - for a child to be enamoured of the tales of two awesomely powerful Jedi who disappeared to fight the true Sith and run off to find them. The twist in the story could be that Carth was actually the father (j/k)!

However, it's a difficult one to work anyway, because the end of KOTOR II was as it was: vague and not very good as closure (either as a chapter or a self-standing game). Still, I think if Obsidian get a fair crack at KOTOR III instead of being rushed to completion or Bioware are slipped back into the breach, the game will be better than both its predecessors. Why? Because fans were expecting an awesome sequel to the first and got only the foundations with nothing built upon them. As such, any prospective KOTOR III developer will be under ENORMOUS pressure to deliver what will probably have to be the greatest RPG of all time for it to be even considered.

Whatever happens, I look forward to it. Very, very much.

Lord_Roderick · Post by **Lord_Roderick** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:44 am

[QUOTE=Chimaera182]I said it before, and I'll say it again: I don't think Revan or Bastila should return. Those ships have sailed. If we have to see old characters, we can take 1-2 from the first game, 1-2 from the second, and the rest need to be all-new characters. There can be mention of Revan and Bastila in the third game, but they don't need to be in it.

*If* they have to be in it, they shouldn't be playable characters. I mentioned something like that before about Revan joining up with you like the Mandalorian in the Dxun forest who helps you take out the Onderon scouts. You go one way, Revan goes the other, and you don't get to see what s/he does to them and can't judge what side of the Force s/he is. Or something like Jolee: just have Revan use a lightsaber to kill whatever, then you talk to him/her. Frankly, if Revan comes back, it'll be as a neutral Jedi (like Jolee or Kreia). Or Revan (or even Bastila) will be "hidden," much like the appearance of Visas, Mandalore, and Kreia were "hidden." So they may join us, and they may fight with us, but we won't "know" who they really are until later in the game. But because they're such high levels by the end of KotOR I, it would give you a distinct advantage everywhere in KotOR III the moment you get them (unless they lost their memories, in which case someone must die for that over-used plot), and the game would be no fun. The same pretty much would go for the Exile.[/QUOTE]
i agree but i liked the hole romance thing u got in the 1st one and i also liked teasing bastila theres not so much of that in KOTOR 2 which is a shame. i dont see tho why they cant just have revan AND exile as playable characters whch u can choose.

Lord_Roderick · Post by **Lord_Roderick** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:49 am

ps for the above deefinatly needs a gd romance and the character needs more charisma/ better things to say

Lord_Roderick · Post by **Lord_Roderick** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:52 am

[QUOTE=tj_92]i got an idea its cruddy idea but like you culd start off as like a flash back as revan as like a child and becoming a jedi knight to dark lord of the sith and then like bastilla saving him and then he like wakes up and like hes level 20 from where you left him and you continue like that????[/QUOTE]
i like it, i like it alot!

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:15 pm

[QUOTE=tj_92]i got an idea its cruddy idea but like you culd start off as like a flash back as revan as like a child and becoming a jedi knight to dark lord of the sith and then like bastilla saving him and then he like wakes up and like hes level 20 from where you left him and you continue like that????[/QUOTE]

So, what happened with the Exile then, according to you, never really happened? Was it in Revans dreams? I have to say, playing as Revan was fun and all, but It wasn't the best, I mean, you never really got to play at his full power, yet alone as a sith at all. The gaming experience sucks, if you look at it that way. I don;t know why any of you coul stand to play as the same Character again, for the Second time. Revan would become a horrible character if you re use it over and over again. Then you will realize, man Revan sucks.

RenegadeXan · Post by **RenegadeXan** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:48 am

pff you guys dont get the point , here MY idea: why don't you have something simillar to kotor 2 i mean i prefered the 1 because all was fine you only needed to kill malak but in the 2 you were the only last (light) jedi you and the other one i forgot that is in the 1 the one you rescue on dantoine. Anyway, how about everyone are on the dark side and you are the only last hope a jedi that survived from the war in 2 , hidden and then this jedi would meet Raven and then you and raven got to bring back the academy and bring back to light side . Raven would have returned to the light side but bastila would still be in the dark side and you seek for informations of what happend to canderous and others and then you would meet HK-47 somewhere on a lost planet and he will tell you what hapend to the others then you get carth back and spare spot for 6 others. And having people staying in your party would be really better then having temporatly ones. After all this you would need to kill the leader of the army a strange caracter like the one in kotor 2 the one with the with face. it would be you (the hidden jedi) vs him (last guy to kill) and a bit before raven vs batista but between this there would be a lot of talking with raven and batista. This would be such cooler

o and of course a possibilites of chaning the end finishing it dark or light BUT dude yo guys are crazy they cant make 2 games for one a light one with a story and a dark one with another story just for you guys pleasure

Elias De vere · Post by **Elias De vere** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:29 pm

I think the ending of KOTOR 1 was false for light siders. i reckon revan went bad, then anothe jedi saved bastilla and defeated revan. i want to see this uber jedi, and he should have the ability to cast fire aswell. now that would be cooler, and why would bastilla want revan. i reckon as soon as he left, she found another man, and in KOTOR 3, Bastilla would be even harder, but non-playable.

Bastila_Shan · Post by **Bastila_Shan** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:27 am

Hello

I am a fan of Revan/Bastila story more then Revan/Carth story. Personally I think the story fits better with the Revan/Bastila romance.Any way how would I like them back in Kotor III? well I would like them to have a very big role in Kotor III.I would personally like too see them romance each other.And for Revan and Bastila to play a very big role.I would also like Carth Onasi to come back as an admiral in Kotor III. Since theses 3 had big roles in Kotor 1 I don't see any thing wrong with theses 3 getting together and been a team but this also depends on your choices of course. I mean if you were female Revan dark side then it would be a different story altogether.I was just actually pointing out the LSM Revan story because I am a fan of the LSM Revan who follow his lover Bastila along with Carth as the tag a long. but any way thats just one of the possibilites that can happen

RenegadeXan · Post by **RenegadeXan** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:00 pm

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RenegadeXan, please choose other ways to articulate your thoughts in the future. This post contributes nothing to the thread.

mrthingyx · Post by **mrthingyx** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:45 am

[QUOTE=Bastila_Shan]Hello

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Well, from my reading, Lucasarts have supported a Light-sided male Revan as the canonical KOTOR character, i.e. how the film would be, were it to be made. Off-topic, I don't know how many people have thought this through, but a Dark side ending to KOTOR wouldn't really fit in with KOTOR II... Revan conquers the galaxy with an awesome armada and then disappears off BY HIMSELF to battle the true Sith? Doubtful.

As to bringing Bastila and Revan back, I think it would be really nice to see them together again, although it would be challenging if Revan wasn't to be found in KOTOR III (duh). However, I think Lucasarts are aware that fans of the original want either closure or fulfilment of their story together and will therefore have to figure them both into the story somehow.

I think Bastila, being the hot-headed little minx she is, will find setting up the new Jedi Order a very wearying task and will yearn for her beloved/master (I still don't hold with the DS ending to KOTOR, but for all you diehards...

) once more. As such, she'll probably take the most promising candidate from the crop of intakes to the rebuilt Jedi Enclave (guess who) under the excuse of them needing more personal/one-to-one guidance in the Force and run off to the Unknown Regions of space to look for Revan.

The saga will be concluded when she finds him: wouldn't it be nice for the whole shebang to come full circle and rescue him? I think so.

Caden · Post by **Caden** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:09 am

Yes I think the story of an evil jedi losing his memory and fighting for good again was a much more interesting story then an evil jedi losing his memory and then being evil again. Also the love story between two jedi I think would be more interesting then one between a jedi and a soldier. So male lightside Revan would be my guess too.

Kaja Sinis · Post by **Kaja Sinis** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:09 pm

Darth Zenemij has a personal vendetta with Revan.

After reading numerous posts by Zenemij, it is clear that he is becoming increasingly frustrated with people wanting Revan to reappear as a playable character. Although I understand his convictions, and agree with many of them, I think there is still much to consider for KOTOR III. First and foremost all, we have to remember, it is Star Wars. Star Wars is a saga. a pair of trilogies. Each trilogy had its main characters, from the Han Solos to the Boba Fett's to the Lando Calrissians, to the Padme Amidalas. Trilogies tend to have characters reappear, infact, the whole point of a trilogy is to follow the story of a particular person or group through all 3 episodes. "Back to the Future", "Jurassic Park", etc. If you can name one mainstream trilogy that didn't at least reference the original cast of characters I'll be impressed. The point is Zen, we need Revan to return in some form or fashion. You can't just abandon the original echo in the Force because you think he "sucked" or whatever. I think the Exile sucked too, and the idea of having a new fresh padawan or some random Jedi that knew Revan somehow is even weaker. How many times can we have people pop out of the woodwork that we never knew about before? Lucasarts needs to keep it real and have Revan thoroughly involved in the 3rd KOTOR. What would Return of the Jedi be without Luke Skywalker? What if they just made some other random kid appear with a midichlorian count and said, "This one is the new Chosen One. He used to unclog uncle Owen and Aunt Peru's toilets." or some stupidity like that? You want to tell me Luke sucked too? That they shouldn't have brought back main characters from the first one? It would be untrue to the Lucas vision not to patch up Revan's role. Now I have a suggestion as to how to weaken Revan to growth level. You begin as the Exile and company, right where you left off in KOTOR II with (LS) the Ebon Hawk blasting off. T3 jogs his memory for Revan's navicomputer coordinates, and you start off gameplay on a grim planet in the Outer Rim. One that makes Malachor V look like the Garden of Eden. Long story short you find Revan (as you describe him/her to Atton or someone on the Ebon Hawk before landing) in a serious fix. You, the Exile, jump in, fight ferociously, and the two of you escape by the skin of your teeth. However, soon approaches the ultimate True Sith threat, whatever it may be, and it's power causes the two Echoes of the Force (Revan and Exile) to overlap, suppressing their powers. The Ebon Hawk and crew haul them out in the nick of time and take them to Admiral Onasi and Bastila. Yada, yada, friggin yada. But that would be a reasonable way to start from Level 1 style. The Exile could lead a party, and Revan could lead his/her own party, all in an attempt to search out the means to negate this True Sith supression power and conquer the threat indefinitely.

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:23 pm

i think kaja's idea is great. revan, bastila and carth would make a come-back n all that jazz. but think about this...KOTOR I had the better romance goin on, but do u really think that if bastila went to find revan he'd really, truly be all that excited to see her again?

mayb if he stayed LS. hes got other things in the galaxy to worry about, which is why he mysteriously left her, and every1 else, in the first place. and what about the people who want revan to romance w/ carth (female)? i think that romance between any combonation of these characters would be a mess to figure into the game, especially when the players gotta choose the gender. i say, since KOTOR I had its romance and KOTOR II really didnt, why not start the game off w/ the exile, handmaiden and atton? this way while choosin whether ur LS/DS u can also choose who you wanna romance, or u can choose not to at all.

(did kreia say the exile would have to leave them behind? eh, *shrugs*) its inevitable...the exile and revan MUST meet. kaja's right...u cant just have the main characters dissapear, neways