Story line for diablo 3

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:48 pm

The game gives plenty of logical explanations. Do you listen to all of what NPC's have to say? There's a whole story in it.

Here I leave you something from Wikipedia: Nephilim are beings who appear in the Hebrew Bible

That matters why? The instant we have characters that throw fireballs throws out all need or necessity for 100% accurate bible or other reference information. Arguing what "Nephilim" is in a fantasy video game by quoting the bible does not work. The bible doesn't include fireballs, big tentacle bad guys that shoot a ring of red skulls at you, worldstones, zombies and other walking dead creatures you find in the game.

It's like basing the logic of cars on the bible. Automobiles have nothing to do with the bible thus you would never base it off of it. Nephilim in this game has nothing to do with the bible's Nephilim.

Reading the text, it does not say "we are the spirits of the nephilim." It says "We are the spirits of Nephilim." This changes the semantics of the sentence drastically and Nephilim is no longer in context of a race and is now in the context of, logically, a place.

And what are you talking about Tyrael gave no explanation as to why you need to stop Baal from controlling the worldstone. You're stopping an evil demonlord from controlling a near infinite source of power that holds the planet together, how is that not enough of a reason? Case in point, Baal is the lord of DESTRUCTION. He wants to destroy, controlling a worldstone, he would do such a thing.

Here's my suggestion, Record or type down everything every NPC says in game. Put it all together in the chronological order in which it's said, and I guarantee you their will be a functioning story. And when I say every NPC, I also mean the old crazy dude from the cinematics.

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:43 am

I wonder, couldn't there more info be gleaned from the d20 Diablo books?
Fedenet, did the story from Lillith come from the DI manual? I'm not at home at the moment, so I can't check, but I remember reading this as well. I haven't read the Sin War (yet), so it can't come from there.
Even if it's just a theory, it certainly is intresting. It would explain the whole "mortals can choose between Good and Evil" from the DI manual, since mortals would effectively be half-Good/half-Evil.
BTW, it's good to see people give the Diablo-universe some thought, since it is a lot more detailed than you'd think. (As if a large percentage of Battlenet players could even be bothered with a manual...)

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:27 am

I can confirm all that stuff (Lilith,etc) is from the Sin War. Which is not Fan Fic afaik. It's a licensed product all the way. It's truly an excellent read if you're into the Diablo universe. Otherwise, it's not worth it. The Nephilim are those among humanity whose dormant powers were unlocked.

Caden · Post by **Caden** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:39 pm

Well I did some research, yesterday, after I posted in this thread, wanting to know where this information was, and I found the [url="http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Inarius"]diablo wiki[/url]. It had this to say.

The Nephalem, being born of both Angel and Demon, were found to be quite powerful. Lilith planned to use their power to build an army, but Inarius fought against her and used the Worldstone to diminish the humans' powers, so that each successive generation became less and less powerful.

So it only made the future generations less powerful. This would explain why the 3 barbarian guardians at the Arreat Summit would not have their power diminished, and why they would not have reason to destroy the worldstone.

Diablo wiki also says that the worldstone was not created to suppress the power of the nephalem. It was created at the same time or before the nephalem were created and later used to suppress their power, but that is not its primary purpose. I remember reading at some other site that the worldstone was created to keep the war between heaven and hell from spilling into sanctuary.

I understand that the diablo wiki website does not get to decide what is canon, but I am more inclined to trust the diablo wiki, having not done much research elsewhere.

It may be that, with the worldstone destroyed, the current humans do not suddenly regain their power, but that the future generations of humans will become more and more powerful.

lisk · Post by **lisk** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:49 pm

:speech::to be more precise tyreal said that the destruction of the world-stone would release some massive power that would be dangerous which is why he gave you the portal and anyway we know that the sin wars DID happen in diablo because there is a book about it in the diablo 2 game (i think it was the arcane sanctuary) and we know they almost destroyed the world and everything else along with it then the next major war was the war aganst the 3 where the alliance of heaven and sanctuary along with help from the lesser evil andariel (yeah she is a lesser evil) by them banishing the 3 devil lords (diablo mephisto and baal) and therfore making the war much quicker because after that the horadrim used the soulstones instead of doing the smart thing and KILLING or at least banishing the 3 to somewhere like the arcane sanctuary, and yeah it's been hinted that tyreal is rather evil

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:14 am

Wow, there actually was ONE use of punctuation there...

Anyway, Tyrael evil? He sounds rather like someone who, by going against the rules, does more good than the ones who made the rules with the intention of helping Good. To use a D&D analogy: he becomes more of a Paladin by going against everything his Paladin-hoo stands for.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:37 am

GawainBS wrote:Wow, there actually was ONE use of punctuation there...

Anyway, Tyrael evil? He sounds rather like someone who, by going against the rules, does more good than the ones who made the rules with the intention of helping Good. To use a D&D analogy: he becomes more of a Paladin by going against everything his Paladin-hoo stands for.

I agree, though in the Sin War novels he's pictured as an extremely vindictive angel that would truly enjoy slaying humans for their half-demon side. All in all, it looks he came around with his "hour of mortal man's triumph" speech in D2.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:10 am

@GawainBS-

Lets ease up on the flaming shall we. That was uncalled for what you said about someone's grammar. Pointing it out and asking if they can try to improve is one thing but what you posted is a bit of mockery.

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:58 am

But it's my opinion that I'm just making an observation about that post, nothing more.

DiabloATdawn · Post by **DiabloATdawn** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:46 pm

Ok, I am not trying to sound stupid but, IMO :
Diablo 1 End cinematic - Hero pushes the bloodstone into his head to contain the evil.

Diablo II diablo's death - Diablo dies? where is the bloodstone its in his head when he dies... what if Tyrael thought he could contain it as well?

= turning into Diablo like the companion did.

Where did he go the time in between you leaving the pandorium and you killing
Baal?

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:08 pm

Actually, that was given to you at the beginning of Act 4 and there was a quest to destroy it using Hephasto's hammer and forge.

Tyrael thought since the stones couldn't contain the evil and keep them at bay, destroying them would be a better option.

I THINK that's what happened...but I may be off as I didn't watch the last part of diablo 2: LoD.

Oh, btw, just so you know the place is called Pandemonium, Pandorium is a whole different mythology.

DiabloATdawn · Post by **DiabloATdawn** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:19 am

That was the "soulstone" not the "bloodstone".
Tyrael has always been an odd character.

Caden · Post by **Caden** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:04 am

I'm pretty sure that, in the same cinematic of Diablo dying in D2, you saw a hammer smashing both Mephisto's and Diablo's soulstones.

I also wouldn't expect Diablo to be able to take control of an Angel's body as easily as a human's.

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:10 pm

It's true that the stones containing diablo and mephisto the prime evils were destroyed by the hammer. Also, Diablo is dead forever! It would show little creativity from Blizzard if they would let him return. It would be like one of those TV-soap-evils who just won't die.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:23 pm

The thing about the theory "Diablo is dead forever" has two flaws. One, he should have been dead forever in the first game, but they made diablo 2. Two, both times you were essentially killing the devil in hell, I mean where's he gonna go after that? Detroit?

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:30 pm

Actually, he shouldn't have been dead forever in the first game. The hero puts the stone with diablo in it, in his head. It was clear at the ending of the first game that diablo would be able to return if the hero wasn't strong enough to contain him. Also, the hero goes to the east to find rest, but perhaps this is already diablo thinking, for there is his brother, Bhaal.

However at the end of diablo 2, it was over, forever, because they left no options open for his return.

Where does diablo go? The abbys perhaps. The rules of heaven and hell do not count for beings of pure evil, for demons. Dogs don't go to heaven, according to the Bible (I think), so why would demons. These beings of evil are destroyed forever if killed.

Salidin54 · Post by **Salidin54** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:47 pm

Siberys wrote:The thing about the theory "Diablo is dead forever" has two flaws. One, he should have been dead forever in the first game, but they made diablo 2. Two, both times you were essentially killing the devil in hell, I mean where's he gonna go after that? Detroit?

Well I was thinking more along the lines of down-town Chicago, but Siberys poses a good point. If Diablo was "killed" in Hell where the Hell is he gonna go next, same for Baal and Mephisto, although I wouldn't mind seeing either of them gone forever. and also Diablo 3 could be another D2 where diablo tries to free his brothers again, though I would expect more from Blizzard.

w1ck3r · Post by **w1ck3r** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:00 pm

@ all the people that say diablo soulstone was destroyed:

Marius says in one of the cinematics something along the lines of, "i heard later that [diablo] was defeated, and the soulstones were destroyed" (as it shows animations of both a blue soulstone (mephistos) and a red soulstone (diablos) being destroyed)

Marius says he HEARD that it happened, and because, while playing, I clearly DID NOT destory diablo's soulstone i find it hard to believe it was destroyed.

Also @ the people that say diablo was destroyed forever:

The next game is called DIABLO 3.... they cant call a game diablo and not have diablo in it... Thats like if they made warcraft 3 and didnt have any wars in it -_- So of course diablo will be in the third game its just a matter of HOW he gets back into sanctuary.

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:04 pm

w1ck3r wrote: Marius says he HEARD that it happened, and because, while playing, I clearly DID NOT destory diablo's soulstone i find it hard to believe it was destroyed.

Well, seeing that you really don't have a lot of freedom in the game, you automatically destroy the stone. And why wouldn't you? You spend four chapters long trying to kill diablo and then you would decide 'I think I'll just hold on to it, just in case'. So far as I know, the stone doesn't have a strange power to put it in your head like the ring in Lord of the rings.

Also, How stupid would it be, after you killed Diablo they give you another quest, namely 'go destroy diablo's stone'. sig.

Since marius is the storyteller, we can pretty much assume that it's true, especially with the movie that came with that annoucment.

It would show little inspiration of Blizzard if they would continue the story based on this statement.

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:04 am

I think they're going to bring the final two Lesser Evils in view, maybe combined with some corrupt Seraphim.