Help with getting Crom Faeyr?

[Edar Macilrille]

Sort of, he is The Prince of Demons, the ultimate Demon bad guy...

[RPGguy]

The point is Quen, that when you enter 'Demogorgon' into google, the words

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"Prince of Demons"

almost always follow...even in the blurb result from Google, ...even before you click on one of the links

And when you accidentally read

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"Prince of Demons"

, you can

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somewhat come expect all kinds of heinous things being thrown at you

in that encounter.

I guess that's the logic I was getting at.

And Keronsene, imagine

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the most difficult battle you can...resulting from an encounter with such a creature...then make it 4 times harder than what you are imagining...then it might approach the difficulty in reality. Probably the toughest bad guy ever incorporated into a game without use of the game cheating or being extremely cheese

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[Kerosene]

And Keronsene, imagine

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the most difficult battle you can...resulting from an encounter with such a creature...then make it 4 times harder than what you are imagining...then it might approach the difficulty in reality. Probably the toughest bad guy ever incorporated into a game without use of the game cheating or being extremely cheese

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Objection! I say thats bull****! There's no way it could be that hard!

I heard

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Demigorgon

was hard, but not that freaking hard! How the hell has anyone even been close to defeating/defeated that beast! Honestly, what the hell does he do, complete invulnerability from everything and f***s you up in like a second!?

[RPGguy]

Because like with any enemy, there are exploits. Demogorgon is the kind of enemy that gets beaten 0.01% of the time with player doing it legit and 99.99% of the time only after googling "help with demogorgon please!!"

There are thousands of forum threads on him, most with that kind of topic heading :laugh:

[Kerosene]

Is it that hard to beat him just by figuring out how to do so by your self?

[Daynov]

The vanilla version is very easy , so you shouldn't worry too much. Unless you want to face him during early SoA ( and i mean early ) he'll be lucky to last more than 3-4 rounds and that's without using cheesy tactics.

Edit : Some of the fights just before him are actually harder if you restrain from using cheese.

[RPGguy]

The vanilla version is very easy , so you shouldn't worry too much. Unless you want to face him during early SoA ( and i mean early ) he'll be lucky to last more than 3-4 rounds and that's without using cheesy tactics.

Edit : Some of the fights just before him are actually harder if you restrain from using cheese.

Um, I'm going to disagree...respectfully.

Kerosene, for guys like us...who didn't grow up playing DnD, or have intimate understanding of the Infinity engine, it's a slaughter.

I killed him legit, but after about 25 reloads. Of course, that was my first time coming across him. Let me know if you manage any better, provided you can refrain from reading about how to do it first.

[Edar Macilrille]

I had not read about him in advance, I used no cheese, I beat him in 1st or 2nd try.

However, I did it just before going to the final ToB battle and the Kensai-Mage-Thief is in itself somewhat cheesy. So I would say the truth is a bit in between RPGGuy's and Daynov's versions.

[RPGguy]

haha, okay, well I must have really been a bad player then. I knew something bad was down there but I knew nothing about Demogorgon specifically.

It took me like 6 reloads just to understand what attacks he was using. Probably another 10 reloads figuring out what buffs and de-buffs actually touched him or did something for my party. And another 10 releads just to survive and get it right cause he pummels you with a lot of stuff.

Personally, I don't believe anyone (maybe one in a million) walked into that room and survived the first time unless they read up on what was coming or how to deal with it. You'll never convince me. :laugh:

[Crenshinibon]

During my first playthrough of ToB, I beat him on my third try, with my main character being an Avenger, with five other members in the group.

Now, with certain characters, I can solo him without much hassle. After you play the game for a bit, you'll realize how many resources you have at your disposal. The items that make the game's hardest battles a cakewalk are available almost right at the start of both games. It's a matter of knowing the mechanics and knowing when you need that extra punch.

[jouke1988]

Hah! Don't we all? I've played BG2 for years and i'm still getting a kick out of it. Of course, mods mean a lot. But there's always something new to discover, even if it's a really tiny gem, and when you find something new on your approx. 25th playthrough, it's really rocks.

I think I am ready for my 50st playthrough and still like it, it always gets a new thing into it. And with mods you can always make new combo's of your party!

[RPGguy]

During my first playthrough of ToB, I beat him on my third try, with my main character being an Avenger, with five other members in the group.

Finally, a claim I can buy. I hate to keep chucking praise at you, but from what I've read of your posts, I never come across a more gifted player. You understand these games (and probably other games) on a level most don't.

You understand the specifics of each weapon, spell, item of power and how they interact *technically* with the game engine, not just according to description or theory. You seem to have tried most of the classes and worked each one to maximum potential. And somehow, you retain all of this data. It's only been 3 years since I last played the game but I've already forgotten most of it. I have memories of certain encounters but that's about it.

I don't know, but I suspect you have been a hard core D&D player for a LONG time..and for a long time before these games came out. I suspect you have completed these games between 80-100 times since (just a guess)

So if it took you 3 tries to figure it out (presumably) without any prior referencing, then I don't feel so strange about a 20+ time effort at it, given how BG2 was my first CPRG experience ever (excluding Eye of the Beholder 2 which I played like 10 years prior to that) and with no understanding of D&D going in.

I think (just a guess) that Kerosene comes closer to fitting my experience profile than yours. If so, if he approaches it cheat/spoil free, he's in for a slathering. Rinse, repeat, slather...in blood. Lots of it. His.

[Edar Macilrille]

Or he gets lucky, as I think I was cause other less difficult battles I had to try a lot of times. I dunno, I am not half the player Crensh is, yet I am pretty certain I beat the big baddie faster. There is a first for you, and probably last.

Then my next runthrough I used Tactics... that is when I had to reload, fight-die-curse-reload... a lot of times. I had thought it was a cakewalk as I was so lucky first time...

[Kerosene]

Thaxll'ssillyia...
Was...
So...
F***ing...
Easy?

I'm on core AD&D rules or what ever you call it, and I killed it in one shot. No cheesing, though it might be cheesing, since its kind of a cheap way . I beat it this way:

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I got my thief to set up 7 snares around Thaxll'ssillyia, attacked it, and owned it in a second. It was the easiest fight of my life.

But I'm happy! I got Crom Faeyr Scroll, and I got Hammer of Thunderbolts from that

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Mind Flayer lair in the sewers in temple district

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All I need now is some belt, I've heard?

[Edar Macilrille]

The trap way is cheesey, but what works, works. Congrats.

Various mods makes enemy bosses go hostile if you set up traps around them. SCS II and Tactics both I think.

[willsanders84]

Yeah, traps are cheese. The ONLY way to kill a dragon, is not to buff or prepare, walk up to it and say: "Right, you an' me, let's go!"

Dragons shouldn't really be dealt with, in my opinion, until you're at least lvl 12, and even then you're going to have to get a bit lucky.

I mean, really, I can kill, we ALL can kill, anything whilst lvl 7. I could kill Kangaxx as a lvl 7 thief. It's just setting one's own bar of cheese.

How low do you go?

I must admit, I've been pretty low. I've thought, "I really want the ring of Gaxx, but I just can't be bothered NOT to use a scroll of protection from undead." Now that's cheese.

I remember, the first time I killed Kangaxx, all those years ago, I just used the wand of wonder, again, and again, and again. Lots of reloads later, and he got unlucky.

Which makes me think, what IS cheese? Is going into Kangaxx's lair, or the Shadow Dragon's lair, with five "spell immunities" or five "negative plain protections" memorised, cheese? Because really one would have no way of knowing. Wouldn't it me more likely that you were a high enough level mage or cleric to perhaps have one of each of those spells, lose a couple of party members, and beat them without premediated tactics?

[Edar Macilrille]

Well Will... that is basically what I do. I think the only time I changed my general setup of spells/scrolls for an enemy last runthrough was Bodhi (earlier runthroughs are a year and more ago so...). Otherwise I believe in generalist ability to solve problems with a balanced and well-equipped party. You almost always have the tools necessary to solve any situation if your party is balanced, at a suitable lvl and equipped well.

However, my main PC Ken/Mag/Thf and attendant Sorcerer are very strong and in themselves somewhat cheesey.

[RPGguy]

This whole thread has turned south of cheese. It stinks and I'm done with it after this post.

You know it's cheese because you read somewhere about how to do it at one time or another.

There's no way you walk into a room with a giant shadow dragon and even consider start planting traps at its feet unless you've read somewhere that you can get away with it.

Manipulating enemies while in a neutral state is the worst kind of cheese.

Philosophically, from a role playing stand point..."oh hello mister dragon! while you just stand there, I am going to just lay some traps around your feet. Hope your eggs are doing well. Say hi to missus dragon for me"

(barf)

[Edar Macilrille]

Who is hilarious now? ;-)

You are right though.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I remember, the first time I killed Kangaxx, all those years ago, I just used the wand of wonder, again, and again, and again. Lots of reloads later, and he got unlucky.

That is pure awesomeness.