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Anomen and Korgan do not come to blows in Shadows of Amn. And NONE of the NPCs will attack other party members in Throne of Bhaal or leave the party if they're unhappy (although they will constantly complain if they're unhappy). I think they're afraid of making your main character angry.

As it turns out, Korgan is just trying to bait Anomen for the fun of it (same with Aerie), not because of any real hatred. He thinks of it as "joking". You'll see that in his dialogues with Aerie, Imoen, and Anomen in Throne of Bhaal, which shed some light on his character.

If you actually want an EVIL NPC in your group I suggest you d/l and install Valen. No doubts whatsoever about her alignment.....

But be warned....she WILL force you into a number of fights you may not want.

If you have korgan in your party when you do Jan's quest korgan says something about him never hitting a child. Also when you go to umar hills and talk to the leeder about the problems in town Edwin will say umar doesn't exist and that ogres don't do what the shades are doing

There was a lengthy discussion here on GB on "what makes Korgan evil," it was pretty interesting. I will repeat myself now, but for me, Korgan was just a ruthless opportunist up to the point where I talked with a hooker in the Bridge District, and Korgan said he likes women to struggle and spit him in the face. That was NOT acceptable in my party.
Other than that, the general idea of the game seems to be that evil equals rude. Oh, and I must say I can't really see how Keldorn is to blame for wanting to kill Viconia. This is not our world, this is not an issue of "racism" - the drow are (by their own proud admission) a band of sadistic, psychotic crazies, and countless other monsters are attacked on sight even though they, too, talk and create communities. Is killing orcs "just because they're orcs" racism? A member of openly and explicitly hostile, destructive and gleefully sadistic group should not expect to get the benefit of the doubt when others don't just because she's a pretty girl.

You know i just popped into my head that there are no neutral evil npcs, and i dont think there are any lawful neutral npcs ether

Yes Keldorn is to blame, and yes it is racism, Drizzt and others like him completely undermine your argument.

Is killing orcs "just because they're orcs" racism?

Yup. Judging and condemning people because of their race rather than their actions is racist and bigoted by definition.

No killing orcs because they orcs isn't racism, very few orcs if any at all have proven they can be different, and killing drows because there drows isn't racism ether, aside from drizzt all drow do evil things, such as causing dwarves and elves to hate eachother by stilling weapons that both sides made and selling them to orcs and being happy as the orcs slaughter the elves and dwarves because the elves think the dwarves betraid them.

Galraen, I'm not very well up on Forgotten Realms lore, but isn't the surface pretty much at war with the drow? That's what I thought, at least.
Anyway, I do think either both these situations, orcs and drow, are condemnable (is that a word?) or neither is. But practically everyone kills everyone else, it's just that kind of world. I do think it's very over the top of Keldorn and doesn't fit with his otherwise reasonable personality, I think someone just lacked ideas for his interactions with Vic. But I just don't see how his readiness to kill her is any worse than his readiness to kill anyone else, and if it is so very bad to be ready to kill anyone, then more or less the whole premise of the Forgotten Realms comes into question.

Sorry Mortis but killing Orcs because they are Orcs and for no other reason is racist, that's not an opinion, that's a straight forward fact. Trying to claim otherwise is like trying to argue that water isn't wet. Water, by definition is wet, taking action against a race just because of their race is equally, by definition, racist. Drizzt isn't the only Drow to turn his/her back on evil, even in BG2 there's also Solaufein and of course Vici herself if the PC works at it. Likewise there are non-evil Orcs in the Realms, and Ogres and Gnolls for that matter, go to the Umar Hills and solve their problems peacefully if you don't believe me.

As for Keldorn, te last thing I'd call that poor excuse for a husband is 'Good', apart from his biggotry and tendency to visit violence on people based on their race, there's also his dereliction of his wife and children! There's also his tendency to attack the PC if he/she doesn't grovel to him when they first meet!

Both good points, although I still think violence is not a good benchmark for Forgotten Realms, because if it was, there would be no good people in there at all, by that definition. Everyone kills.
Also, I don't remember 'groveling' to Keldorn, but maybe some of it was lost in translation. Agreed on the family, though, and I think it says a lot about the Order as well, since they must know their member is being torn away from his family by these 'duties' they keep loading on him. Still, it is an echo of our own world, I suppose, where family and feelings are considered second-hand matters, to be sacrificed when necessary.

Try giving Keldorn the 'wrong' answer when you first meet him, not the evil answer, just not the simpering 'I'll be your dog' answer and he immediately attacks you, no matter what your alignment. Of course I've only had this reaction when playing a demi-human, not sure if a racially pure Aryan would have got the same responce.