Which Democrat has the best chance to beat Bush in 2004? (no spam, please)

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Tue May 20, 2003 7:31 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave
Unless Dubya picks a fight with someone else, the public's memory of the war will have faded and the prevailing issue of the day will be the economy.

The ground work is being laid

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue May 20, 2003 9:06 pm

Originally posted by Scayde
The ground work is being laid

For another crusade in somebody's nation, or opening the trapdoor in the economy?

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Tue May 20, 2003 9:23 pm

Originally posted by fable
For another crusade in somebody's nation, or opening the trapdoor in the economy?

I don't want to spam up this thread with my views...but sufice it ti say that I think neither Iraq nor Afghanestan were the ultimate objectives. I would be happy to share my views with you via PM, but I don't want to disrupt the pleasant atmosphere that has finally returned to SYM

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue May 20, 2003 10:07 pm

Originally posted by Scayde
I don't want to spam up this thread with my views...but sufice it ti say that I think neither Iraq nor Afghanestan were the ultimate objectives. I would be happy to share my views with you via PM, but I don't want to disrupt the pleasant atmosphere that has finally returned to SYM

Agreed, and if you want to PM me, that's fine. I suspect I know what you'll say, and I suspect as well that we're in agreement.

But to the subject-at-hand. Lieberman would seem at the moment like one of the strongest candidates. He's very conservative, but with a far better head for financial matters than Bush. Graham was a good consensus builder in the Senate, but he lacks charisma; Lieberman has a fair share of the latter, and a flair for words that's nice to see in an arena where the leading candidates of both parties usually seem only to open their mouths to change feet.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Wed May 21, 2003 7:00 am

I hate to say this for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic, but Lieberman's big liability is that he's a Jew, and in a Protestant nation, that's a substantial liability. Despite the power of the Jewish voting bloc, the fundamentalist Christian segment has demonstrated its substantial clout in the past by dominating the platform of the Republican party for decades and I think they will turn out in force against Lieberman.

Obike Fixx · Post by **Obike Fixx** » Wed May 21, 2003 9:20 am

I'd say Dennis Kucinich

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Wed May 21, 2003 10:26 am

Originally posted by fable
Agreed, and if you want to PM me, that's fine. I suspect I know what you'll say, and I suspect as well that we're in agreement.

But to the subject-at-hand. Lieberman would seem at the moment like one of the strongest candidates. He's very conservative, but with a far better head for financial matters than Bush. Graham was a good consensus builder in the Senate, but he lacks charisma; Lieberman has a fair share of the latter, and a flair for words that's nice to see in an arena where the leading candidates of both parties usually seem only to open their mouths to change feet.

I appreciate everyone's efforts at keeping this thread focused on the Democratic hopefuls.

But, I would also be interested in seeing a cc of that PM Scayde is sending Fable.

Charisma does play an important role in someone's electibility, unfortunately. But like HLD, I have doubts about Lieberman (and I don't think I could be labeled anti-sementic). Its not so much that a Jew couldn't be elected in this country - IMO, the US loves to jump on the politically correct bandwagon, and electing a Jew or a woman, or a black, or even a black Jewish woman would not be out of the question. But I worry more about recent accusations that the Arab world has levied at the US about a possible Zionist agenda. Of course the unfortunate name for the new MOAB bomb doesn't help our case. So I wonder if having a Jewish president is really the best thing for our country’s image abroad?

@Obike Fixx: I understand that Dennis Kucinich is one of the more liberal of the nine hopefuls. While I think that the centrist tendency of the democratic party has recently led to much dissatisfaction among the populace, I'm not sure that a very liberal person is particularly electible.

I also think that @99 made a good point. While I would like to see someone who reflects my own views that were against starting the war in Iraq, I wonder if that person will be electible.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Wed May 21, 2003 3:16 pm

Despite the pride that goes with it, I wouldn't want a jewish president of the US.
He would either show favoritism towards his own ethnic group or would bend over backwards not to be labled that way. Also it would significantly increase anti semitism, as many people hate the US and would blame the person and his religion for it.
Either way it's not in the best interest of the US. Keep a nice christian boy (or girl) there- they don't run on their religion, thus not making it a factor.