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First my assumption of gorien is he must be part of a big group(thats all i worked out ) or he maybe one of the mystra peoples(eleminster so on) and he was sent to look after you and eleminster(Drakron Du'Dark any others?) and the end peoples maby The God's them selves makes sense dosn't it?

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Re: Tethtoril ...

He's the First Reader of Candlekeep (second in station only to that arrogant twit, Ulraunt) and an archpriest of Mystra (level 18, to be precise). His goddess aids him in his research and will intervene directly to protect him from all harm, if necessary. In this, she is aided by the gods Oghma and Deneir, making Tethtoril "one of the safest people in all the Realms", as Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast puts it.

I think he was rather close to Gorion, and also seems to be quite fond of the main character ("I am very proud of you, as I am sure Gorion is.") ... so it's highly unlikely that he would have anything to do with either Bhaal-cultists or the Cowled Bastards. All in all, he seems to have been one of the PC's wise mentor figures, and while he's most likely aware of her divine heritage, I doubt his wishes/hopes/plans for her go much further than keeping her on the path of good (or at least away from the path of evil).

Ahh, memories of Candlekeep.

As for the mysterious gathering at the end of BG2, the symbol on their table seems to suggest they're indeed followers of Bhaal. Loved that last speaker's voice, BTW. "The spawn of Bhaal is doomed. There is no escape."

Anyone wanna bet we'll prove him wrong?

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Originally posted by Nightfire:
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"The spawn of Bhaal is doomed. There is no escape."

Anyone wanna bet we'll prove him wrong? </STRONG>

I guess this depends on your PC... A paladin might be "doomed" to become the reincarnation of the Lord of Murder while my Evil Berseker wishes for nothing else...
Again this is all speculation. The symbol on the table pretty much link them to Bhall so my guess is that they plan to place someone else as Bhall's heir.

I hope they'll do multiple ending. As I said before, my Evil Berseker wants the power of God of Murder while a Paladin would try to resist to their heritage.

I just wanna be nice and blow the crap out of this thread with the cold hard facts. Those guys at the end are indeed priests of Bhaal, they'll play a big part in TOB, of course, and they'll try to put the Bhaals back into you (delicious pun ). All I can say is, in TOB, someone close to ya is gonna die!

Yes, Sarevok my half-bother that is also the new NPC.
He cannot stay dead.....perhaps a desitregate spell will do the trick this time.....

Thanks for the info about Tethoril. Though there still is the problem how they gathered information about PC - and I think that explanation of many problems in in the very begining of the story - I suppose that it will be revealed in ToB. There are too many questions :

What is the real role of Gorion and Elminster in this ?

I assume that they just take controll over one of the children of Bhaal in aim to prevent resurection of Bhaal (AFAIR something like that is the conclussion of the Elminster's letter to Gorion in the location where Gorion was killed by Sarevok in BG1.

And about "doomed" PC.
One of these guys asks "but can we be so sure ?"

There are always alternative choices : I don't think that Bioware developers would make only one ending for such a story - it is just too simple - the majority of people on messeage boards, Interplay's customers want multiple endings, so I assume that we will receive it.

Why would the cowled wizards have the mark of Bhaal? No, they are priests of Bhaal, and i think they would be part of another child of Bhaal:s gang, maybe they all are children of Bhaal, maybe just their leader.

But can someone remind me what they said at the end of BG2?

Here you are..

voice 1 : Gorion's ward has became too powerful. We should have acted long before now

voice 2 : There is no reason to be concerned . The fate of this fool has been sealed .

voice 3 : But can we be so sure ?

voice 2 : The spawn of Bhaal is doomed, there is no escape..

You know, they could be related to the self destructing guy in Trademeet, the one who when he sees the PC faints and then vanishes. He seemed to have a bit of knowledge on the subject. On the other hand when you send only an NPC in to talk to him he talks about other things so you never know.

I think that this guy from Trademeet is just Bioware programmers joke for players. Nothing more.

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Warning: all of the following is speculation, of course, but as you said, there are lots of open questions, and speculating helps pass the time until ToB ships.

Manveru, do you mean "they" as in the group in the end movie? If they are indeed Bhaali cultists, then maybe daddy gave a select number of his most loyal priests some information about who and where his Children are before he croaked. Alternately, it seems that word about the PC's origins has spread to some degree already, and it'd be logical for old Bhaal-worshippers to be paying attention to such rumors and other signs.

My "Wanna bet we'll prove him wrong?" quip was aimed at the fact that our intrepid hero hasn't exactly complied with the various badguys' (Sarevok, Bhaal, Bodhi & Irenicus, Firkraag, you name 'em) plans so far. Even if the PC dies in the end (which I hope won't necessarily happen), I think she'll be sure to stir up some serious trouble for the Mystery Men.

As for the role of Gorion and Elminster ... I wouldn't call it "taking control" of the Bhaalspawn, but rather an attempt to guide the Children (PC & Imoen) away from evil and prepare them for the inevitable conflict with the dead god's will and their own siblings, by teaching them strength of mind, will, and character. But the result, preventing Bhaal from returning (through these two offspring, at least), would be the same.

And yes, Elminster's letter to Gorion seems to foreshadow a greater conflict than the one in BG. Personally, I hope that Gorion's role and background will receive some more attention in ToB, but I could do without seeing Elminster again. Or Drizzt, for that matter. If they must involve one of the "signature characters" of the Forgotten Realms, why not bring in an equally powerful but less-overused one like Khelben "the Blackstaff" Arunsun? He, too, was known to Gorion, and I think it would make for a fun conversation if Khelben was to remind the PC of the incident with his cloak (if you don't remember what I'm talking about, talk to Theodon in Chapter 6 of the original BG -- that little anecdote had me in stitches when I first played the game).

Re: Viekang (the "self-destructing guy in Trademeet") ... I think Bioware has confirmed that we'll learn more about or meet him again in ToB.

if im not mistaken Bioware said that Volo and Elminster are going to show up...

I thought of something if you DO die at the end of ToB then it can't be in a fight any way i know the last words i think are gunna be like this
Elminster:The time has come <CHARname>
Micilanious party talk then
Elminster:Quickly evil is upon us you must transfer the power
You then die cut sceen of time of troubles to now

Gorion and Elminster are/were both Harpers, which would help explain their involvement in the Bhaal saga. Also, Gorion was your mother's partner at the time when Bhaal ravaged her, so he considered you as much his son as Bhaal's.

My guess would be that the folks at the end of BG2 are either High Priests of Bhaal, or children of Bhaal themselves.

Volo's gonna be in ToB, eh? I was wondering if he would be; in BG1, he did say that we'd meet again. As far as the fate of the PC is concerned, I can't see any other outcome but ascension or death.

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You like that don't you?

Either those guys are priests of bhaal or cyric. They can't be cowled wizards because why would those guys want to deal with demi gods and such. Anyway they were mostly killed by irenicus bodhi and the pc.

I would guess they are childeren of bhaal. High Priests of bhaal would make sense as well though. As for the fate of the PC. My guess for ToB is that inomen will die, as she impedes the development, not sure how she will die though. You yourself will either be taken over by the presence of bhaal within and rise to take the throne of bhaal (Killing Yourself in the process) or transfer the power somehow. Just a guess.