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Minsc.

You can be the most powerful mage, theif, fighter in the world, but you can't cast of swing a blade effectively with a trained hamster nibbling it's way around your boxers.

Ewdin: Casts Protection from Normal Weapons.
Edwin: Casts Protection from Normal Missiles.
Edwin: Casts Magic Missile
Edwin: Casts Magic Missile
Edwin: Casts Magic Missile
Edwin: Casts Magic Missile

Boo: Bite Boxers
Edwin: Spell casting disrupted.
Boo: Bite Boxers
Edwin: Spell casting disrupted
Minsc: Attacks Edwin
Boo: Bite Boxers
Edwin: Morale Failure
Minsc: Attacks Edwin
Edwin: Death
Boo: Squeak

Edwin: Casts Wyvern Call
Edwin: Casts Animate Dead
Edwin: Casts Invisible Stalker
Edwin: Casts Invisible Stalker
Edwin: Casts Nisharuu

Edwin: Casts...

You cannot control more than five creatures at one time.

Minsc: Death
Party Gains....etc etc

Remember, all NPC´s are in one room.
If you take only the NPC´s in the poll Edwin should kill 9 NPC´s.
As he doesnt have that much spells at lvl 10.

I couldn't say who would win the NPC Battle, especially since different players would use different tactics, so I originally wasn't going to participate in this poll. But then I read some of the other replies, and I started thinking about tactics.

[QUOTE=Pho3nix]Everyvody starts with the equipment they do when you find them and everybody is lvl 10.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case, then spellcasters can only use spells that are already in their spellbooks. Sorry, tirann. That means no Invisibility, Protection from Normal Weapons, Protection from Normal Missiles, or Summon Nishruu for Edwin. And he can't cast 6th Level spells such as Wyvern Call or Invisible Stalker at 10th Level.

Even so, Edwin has an interesting arsenal of spells that might just give him the edge. (Not that he's my favorite character.) Here are the ones I would use:

Shadow Door (effectively gives him Improved Invisibility for 10 rounds each time he casts it)
Horror
Charm (might be worth a try)
Conjure Lesser Fire Elemental (multiple castings) + Haste -or- Monster Summoning II (multiple castings) + Haste
Breach as needed against other spellcasters
Minor Globe of Invulnerability if he needs it
Mirror Image as needed
Fireball (if he can avoid hitting his own summons) or Flame Arrow
Magic Missile and Melf's Acid Arrow if there's nothing else to do (there isn't much else to put in those spell slots)

I would also try the following:
Shadow Door
Grease + Web + Cloudkill (multiple castings) + Mirror Image + Haste + Polymorph Self (Mustard Jelly, immune to magic, poison, hold, and normal weapons)
transform to human when necessary to cast other spells
transform to Brown Bear (Hasted) to mop up

Minsc is immune to Charm, Hold, Horror, etc. when he goes berserk, so I would keep an eye on him. But without a magic weapon, he couldn't hit the Mustard Jelly or the Lesser Fire Elementals. Haer'Dalis, Keldorn, Mazzy, and Valygar are equipped with +2 weapons when you meet them, so they pose the biggest threat to the Mustard Jelly form and the Lesser Fire Elementals. I'd want to keep them surrounded by summoned monsters if I could (or held or horrified or charmed, etc.).

Keldorn is also immune to Web and Grease and so forth because of his armor (he's well-equipped when you meet him), as well as Hold and Charm because he's an Inquisitor. I can't remember whether he's immune to Horror. He can also cast True Sight and Dispel Magic, so he could undo Edwin's Haste and Shadow Door spells (but not Polymorph Self). Keldorn is definitely the biggest threat to Edwin.

Arrrrghhhhh, my plan has failed.....(whoosh *cloud of smoke*) flys away as a bat...

Okay, that aside.

Yes, I realised after I posted that my Edwin (my current game) is actually a higher level than lvl 10. Whoops sorry people.

I think the biggest problem Edwin faces is that from memory, Edwin has NO weapons when you first get him in Mae-Var's Guildhall. That renders him unarmed and without spells that can give him weapons.... Biggest draw-back for an NPC battle....

Minsc dont have any equipment either. I suppose he could steal Keldorn's sword or Korgan's axe when they die. Why wasn't Jaheria in the poll? Equipment don't matter for her if she has Flame Blade and Ironskins. Plus she can summon beteer than Edwin at that lvl.

How come Boo the hamster wasn't on there?!!! He would take out everyone but, since he wasn't Edwin would be my favorite to kick everyones butt. All his spells would definately give him an advantage over everyone. He could sit back and watch as everyone tries to get through all his protective spells.


Long live BOO!!!

[QUOTE=tirann]I think the biggest problem Edwin faces is that from memory, Edwin has NO weapons when you first get him in Mae-Var's Guildhall. That renders him unarmed and without spells that can give him weapons.... Biggest draw-back for an NPC battle....[/QUOTE]
Edwin has a dagger and a staff when you first meet him. As if I would bother to wield such useless weapons in an NPC battle. If you're going to resort to melee attacks, Polymorph Self is the way to go. A Brown Bear with 18/00 Strength and 18 Constitution (which gives Edwin an extra 20 HP; don't ask me how) and four attacks per round with claws is better than a Mage with a dagger, and it could give some of the other NPCs a run for their money. Or there's the Flind, the Spider, the Ogre, or the Mustard Jelly, whichever one is best suited for the situation. When Polymorph Self is in effect, you can change form at will for the duration of the spell.

Most of Edwin's protection spells will stay in effect even when he's polymorphed. The only protection spells he has when you meet him are Armor, Mirror Image, Fire Shield (Blue), Haste, Minor Globe of Invulnerability, and Shadow Door, but those could save his butt.

[QUOTE=Pepsimax_x5]Minsc dont have any equipment either. I suppose he could steal Keldorn's sword or Korgan's axe when they die...[/QUOTE]
Why are you assuming that Keldorn would die?

When you first meet Minsc, he is unarmed, but I don't think it would be unfair to let him walk to the very next room and grab the splint mail, helm, mace, and two-handed sword that are lying there. At the very least, you could let him cast Shillelagh. I'm assuming that you would let spellcasters rest and memorize the spells they're going to use in battle. If you don't let them do that, then you might as well call off the contest. So I don't think a little bit of preparation for Minsc (like putting on armor) would be out of line.

[QUOTE=Pepsimax_x5]Why wasn't Jaheria in the poll? Equipment don't matter for her if she has Flame Blade and Ironskins. Plus she can summon beteer than Edwin at that lvl.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about Jaheira's summoning ability, just because I'm not sure what level she would be for this battle. For the sake of comparison, Minsc has 600,000 experience points at 10th Level. If Jaheira had that many experience points, she'd be a 9th Level Fighter/12th Level Druid. Edwin has 250,000 experience points at 10th Level. If Jaheira had that many experience points, she'd be an 8th Level Fighter/10th Level Druid. Is it okay if she's a 10th Level Druid, or are we supposed to cut her experience points even more? Could she cast Iron Skins or not? Haer'Dalis only has 160,000 experience points at 10th Level. The same amount of experience would only make Jaheira a 7th Level Fighter/8th Level Druid, and she would be unable to cast 5th Level spells. How are we supposed to make this fair?

Animal Summoning I is probably a little better than Monster Summoning II. It all depends on which monsters appear. Animal Summoning II is definitely better. Call Woodland Beings, which summons a spellcaster (a Nymph), doesn't really have the same purpose as Conjure Lesser Fire Elemental, which summons a melee attacker. It's hard to say which would be more useful, since the Nymph can cast Confusion, Mental Domination, and Hold Monster while the Fire Elemental can inflict a lot of damage.

Jaheira could potentially cast a lot of spells that would counter Edwin's spells, and she could also wreak a lot of havoc on a battling group of NPCs. So I wouldn't count her out of the running.

Multiclassed characters have their XP divided between their classes.

If you're giving Edwin 600,000 XP, you need to give Jaheira 300,000 as a Fighter and 300,000 as a Druid.

Korgan. Grandmastery is very good, especially with the "true rules" patch, berserk gives all sorts of immunities, and he's got a good dose of hitpoints (he is a dwarf, and all.) Besides... he doesn't let any of those silly morals get in the way.

sorry boys, but I have to give my vote to my guy Anomen, not only do i think he is decent at a level 10, but with his "better than thou" talk and attitude, he will annoy the crap out of everybody so they would just leave or run off. LOL ........ and i will ask the same questions as others, WHERE IS JAHEIRA????

[QUOTE=sparky_kat]and i will ask the same questions as others, WHERE IS JAHEIRA????[/QUOTE]
Or Aery,
I think she could win, she will sit scared in the corner untill every one but 1 is dead, and then finsih him/here off with a couple of spells while they are in a weakend state.