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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:09 am
by lompo
[QUOTE=The Great Hairy]@Nihilanth
In 2nd Ed, I think all creatures can be critically hit, even slimes. I think they can be backstabbed as well (although it is *years* since I played 2nd Ed, so I can't be certain - and I'm not sure how BG 2 implemented it).
TGHO[/QUOTE]
Unfortunatly you can't backstab every creature, because you need to be invisible/hidden to do thet, so you can't backstab creature that see invisible like Dragons and maybe some other (mindflayers?, giants creatures?).
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:39 am
by me0w
What about non detection.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:17 am
by Ieldra
Invisibility or not doesn't matter for monks, at least as far as backstabbing is concerned - since they can't backstab anyway. Invisibility has no effect on critical hits.
About dragons: there have been enough reports of dragons being killed by a Quivering Palm that I think it's possible, although I have never done it with a monk myself.
About seeing the invisible: Only very few creatures can see the invisible without using a spell. Dragons cannot. Vampire Mists, Wandering Horrors and suchlike can. Pit Fiends can, but other demons mostly cannot. But as I said, for monks and their Quivering Palm it doesn't matter.
As for monks being nothing but a kind of fighter - yes, they are, but look at the monk-specific HLAs in the Refinements mod. That makes them different enough from what fighters would do, in TOB at least.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:20 am
by Luis Antonio
[QUOTE=The Great Hairy]@Nihilanth
In 2nd Ed, I think all creatures can be critically hit, even slimes. I think they can be backstabbed as well (although it is *years* since I played 2nd Ed, so I can't be certain - and I'm not sure how BG 2 implemented it). Quivering Palm has more limitations however, and doesn't affect creatures which are not living.
TGHO[/QUOTE]
Not all can be backstabbed, thats for sure. They wont see you coming and stuff but cant be surprised on the backstab. Try backstabing an beholder.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:54 pm
by The Great Hairy
@Nihilanth
No, the 2nd Ed Monk doesn't get an AC bonus from high Wisdom. That's one change in 3rd Ed that had me
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@Luis Antonio
I'll have a go!
But yeah, I don't think it will work. And I'll wander down into the sewers and see if I can backstab a slime.
Cheers all!
TGHO