How to defeat Ming?

Celacena · Post by **Celacena** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:43 am

Pick your spots

I found that there wa a place near the buddha statue where I could crouch and shoot without being hit - can't always find it and I vary my techniques with Ming - flamer, repeating shotgun, killmatic, mcclusky, disciplines - even the t-blade works for the right character - close up and personal. I tend to jump to cut at the head when i used the sword - doesn't create babies that way.

what kills you with ming is if you are getting slapped by the tentacles and do not move - you can't go head-to-head at range easily. mind you, causing 50+ supernatural damage can speed thing up.

kams · Post by **kams** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:58 am

I really don't know what is the problem with Ming. I easily killed her with the first try on the first walkthrough. (No boasting or something - it's true).

I was a Tremere and had only blood shield, 10 in melee and a boosh hook. (And perhaps Blood Buff - I don't remember now). And a few blood packs as well. (I used 2 Elder Vitae).
I didn't bother to find those "special spots" - killed her in honest fight.

You just have to heal in time - that's all.
And don't just stand when she attacks. Have anyone here played any 3D-shooters? Unreal Tournament practice works really good here.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:22 am

See? You've got to help me with that. What the heck is "Unreal Tournament"? I've never even heard of it.

silver_frost · Post by **silver_frost** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:15 am

Yeah, someone tell Mr Lestat that. No offense but its been long established in this forum that celerity is godly. All it takes is a little fps'ing skills. As for Ming pple, a cheap way is to keep attacking her back. She's a little slow in turning and if you cut of her tentacles and spawn babes, they're a little spastic anyway. Something wrong with the targeting programming I think. Good luck and stay frosty people.

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:06 am

@ Silver Frost: No offense taken...

... but please do realise that:
A. not everyone has fps skills or is willing to spend time to acquire them to play a game that doesn't rely very much on these skills. If it did, I wouldn't be able to finish it;
B. only two out of seven clans have celerity as a discipline;
C. everyone has her/his own playing style and skills, which might be totally different from yours;
In sum: if something is OK for you or even most people, it ain't automatically OK for everyone.
For some (or even most) your advise might useful, for others my experience might be useful. I know that your advise in this particular case hasn't been useful for me. And there are probably thousands out there that couldn't care less for my advise. But I thought the idea of a forum was share as wide a spectrum of experiences as possible. To quote Ali G. "Respect!"
End of discussion.

BTW: I loved the the work you did on the directory (sticky thread), that was extremely useful.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:18 pm

Various styles - no kidding

Very true, especially given that I've long since lost the incredible twitch reflexes I had when I was 35. In my dotage, I have to rely more on strategy than lightning reflexes. I could once upon a time snap-shoot a crow in flight with a .22 (in Real Life), but that was back when a quarter was three credits on a pinball machine, the peak of the market in computer-based home entertainment was an Apple, Bill Gates was struggling with a two-man software company called Microsoft that was rapidly being driven out of business by an operating system called CP/M, IBM's official position was that 'personal computers' were a fad, and the CPU of choice for PCs was made by a company called Zilog.

To quote Mitnick, "What are you using for security down there, a Trash-80? He makes reference of course to the venerable TRS-80 Model 1 - the first computer I programmed.

In VTMB, I find that a combination of cunning, stealth, and pin-point accuracy serve me well in most places. Warform Ming is proving to be a bit of a trick, though. That's why I'm looking for a 'sweet spot'. There is one there, somewhere. The trick is to find it without getting killed.

To quote the bard, "Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill."

DarkHelmet918 · Post by **DarkHelmet918** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:54 am

This is just great...

Thanks guys for your help. I finally defeated Ming using the crouching behind Buddha method (with like maybe 1 bloodpoint left). Anyway, so I beat Ming and jumped into the little portal thingy. THEN, my computer crashed...Yeah, I have to beat her again...hehe...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

lesson of the day: save immediately after you beat the freakin' thing.

FredrikNo1 · Post by **FredrikNo1** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:03 am

ming got me so pissed first time

i actually quit the game after trying to kill her with my brujah on my first playthrough. i used unarmed (maxed and had celerity at 3 and im very good at fps games)

It didnt help, i died miserably.
Next time i tried a gangrel and maxed fort and def, nothing in the game (except for maybe the werewolf) was any danger to me.

So my advice for making ming way easy is to have high def and a defensive discp (presence works on her lowers her damge very nicely comined with high def, or fort or even auspex)

Im not saying celerity is weak, i think its the most powerful discp in the game, i wish i knew that on my first playthrough. with level 5 celecrity, even with my lacking defense, i would have won after a couple of tries.

With max def and celerity 5 not even werewolf is a danger

(mostly because of the speed though)

hope this helps someone having problems with ming

techtonik shyft · Post by **techtonik shyft** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:47 am

The first game I played, I was a gangrel and got royally screwed my Ming (the merciless?). I put this down to missing too many quests to build up my character enough.

The second time, I played as a Malk. Different story.

I didn't use any disciplines at all (not even auspex to help me shoot...). I simply kept my distance, circled the big blobby bugger and layed into her with my desert eagle and flame thrower, nailing her little siblings when needed.

I had to use a couple of elder vitae packs and the odious chalice, but the whole fight was relatively easy.

Yeah, I made her squeel like a piggy!

Kendrel · Post by **Kendrel** » Tue May 31, 2011 9:47 am

Ming?

If you have a Gangrel, just max out the Protean and Fortitude Discipline, couple them with Brawl 5 and she will be beggin for mercy. She won't do you that much damage and in a blink you'll have her at half her health. Just keep pounding, don't pay attention to her clones and that's it.

Sir Twist · Post by **Sir Twist** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:33 am

V:TMB is a FPS wrapped in a RPG shell. I hate to say that, but that is what it really is. For Ming, I recommend using your abilities, if you will, to a minimum. Yes blood packs, etc. help, but keep from using blood as much as you can. Now, it doesn't matter if you are Brujah, Gangrel, etc. The best way to take out Ming in her slug form is to find a good place she can't attack you easily, and use your ranged weapons. I recommend the Spas-12, the Anaconda, and anything else that you pick up before meeting her. All those weapons will take her down, all you need is a little patience, some luck, and a lot of time. And a good save before tackling her. I've not gotten that far with a Tremere, but they could be very good for Ming. And you need to, if out in the middle, stick and move. Always stick and move. The submachine guns work well for that. Do not engage her if all you have are melee weapons, and figuring that your protean 5 form will take her out. It may, but figure on very heavy damage to you. There are plenty of weapons available before you meet with Ming, and all you really need up to that point is crossbow or sword.

Kendrel · Post by **Kendrel** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:43 am

Sir Twist wrote:V:TMB is a FPS wrapped in a RPG shell. I hate to say that, but that is what it really is. For Ming, I recommend using your abilities, if you will, to a minimum. Yes blood packs, etc. help, but keep from using blood as much as you can. Now, it doesn't matter if you are Brujah, Gangrel, etc. The best way to take out Ming in her slug form is to find a good place she can't attack you easily, and use your ranged weapons. I recommend the Spas-12, the Anaconda, and anything else that you pick up before meeting her. All those weapons will take her down, all you need is a little patience, some luck, and a lot of time. And a good save before tackling her. I've not gotten that far with a Tremere, but they could be very good for Ming. And you need to, if out in the middle, stick and move. Always stick and move. The submachine guns work well for that. Do not engage her if all you have are melee weapons, and figuring that your protean 5 form will take her out. It may, but figure on very heavy damage to you. There are plenty of weapons available before you meet with Ming, and all you really need up to that point is crossbow or sword.

The best way I have beaten Ming using a Tremere, is, get close and personal using blood shield and the Tal'mahe'ra blade. Slash and dice, and keep using over and over Cauldron of Blood. It does a LOT of damage. Make sure you have Blue Blood packs in full, as you'll probably use like 8. Don't worry about her clones much. Cauldron of Blood affects them even if Ming is not exploding. Remember refreshing your blood shield if necessary.

Tenser · Post by **Tenser** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:34 am

My strategy:

1. Stay calm

2. Pause often

3. While pause, check the status carefully

4. Keep track of who the original Ming is. Attacking the clone does no good, it would just respawn if it dies

5. Keep track of your hitpoints. Dont safe blood packs for later. Keep your hitpoints near maximum.

6. Keep track of your powers. Keep the useful up all the time. Choose the power you want to refresh while being paused.

7. Use the flamethrower first and empty it on her.

8. The preferable setup is to have ranged at 10. Empty the really big machineguns on her.

9. Never tried melee before, for that you have to reference the rest of this thread.

10. Never managed to find a safe spot. I just avoided her tentacle attacks as good as a I was able to manage by hand instead.

Thats how even my Malk, far from being a good combat clan, managed to kill her easily.

Tenser · Post by **Tenser** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:39 am

kams wrote:I really don't know what is the problem with Ming. I easily killed her with the first try on the first walkthrough. (No boasting or something - it's true).

I was a Tremere and had only blood shield, 10 in melee and a boosh hook. (And perhaps Blood Buff - I don't remember now). And a few blood packs as well. (I used 2 Elder Vitae).
I didn't bother to find those "special spots" - killed her in honest fight.

You just have to heal in time - that's all.
And don't just stand when she attacks. Have anyone here played any 3D-shooters? Unreal Tournament practice works really good here.

I never play shooters. I hate playing shooters. I dont even touched Mass Effect because the YouTube videos have been too shooter-like for my taste. So yeah, I'm not surprised you have an easy time with VtMB, but I dont have your mad skills with reflexes.

Ming was insanely strong the first times - and I was a Toreador back then. It was only until I learned to pause often so I could keep track of everything and think calmly what to do next that the combat actually became easy.

IIRC, in my last attempt with a Malk, I didnt even needed a single blood pack.

Sir Twist · Post by **Sir Twist** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:11 am

Mass Effect is something like The Witcher, just with guns instead of swords, etc. A shooter, to me, is stuff like Doom, Duke Nuke'm 3d, V:tMB, things like that.

Tenser,the closest Mass Effect gets to a shooter is when you use the sniper rifle. And even then it's only while you use that. Everything else is as I said above. Or if you are in the Mako, and zoom in on your target. Otherwise, it's closer to an over the shoulder RPG.