True Sith?

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:02 am

it's really confusing to be honest but i just thought kreai said something like there are no records of True Sith so like Freedon Nadd n everyone aren't them i think the True Sith haven't even been like mentioned until this game i think before the people who discovered the Sith on Yavin 4 there was Jedi or people like them and people practicing the dark side on Yayin 4 and the people thought they were gods so when the exiles from the order arrived they where treaeted like gods because they were like the former gods the people has beleived in because they had some of the same powers as them or a light saber or something just an opinion

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:10 am

Just a sidenote: A exile Jedi that find the Sith didn't use lightsabers because when they got exiled lightsaber technology was unknown (I know that sound stupid, but that's the official reason). That is the reason that you search for Ajunta Pol's Sword in KotoR and why Tavion wields Marka Ragnos' sword in Jedi Academy. It's said that Sith used alchemy and dark side of the force to create their swords so that why they could block lightsabers.

Mace Windu Jr. · Post by **Mace Windu Jr.** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:34 pm

how did naga sadow have a saber in his tomb then?

MightyIron · Post by **MightyIron** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:36 pm

[QUOTE=Mace Windu Jr.]how did naga sadow have a saber in his tomb then?[/QUOTE]

If you mean after finding the star map in KOTOR 1 i beleive that was put there by the master of the acadamy ( i forget his name ) as a reward for the student who passes the test. it was not naga sadows lightsaber.

Soulforged · Post by **Soulforged** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:48 pm

Oh yes... but that doesn't explain what Kreia says about Tulak Hord being the most skilled ever with a lightsaber. And i personally don't think that all that heritage from Korriban (i mean Marka Ragnos and before\after) are the true sith. The true sith are the race period. They are just weak people that fell to the dark side for being too precipitated. Probably they end up corrupt just by setting foot on Korriban, when once upon a time... there lived a little race of dark crippy being that borned from the dark side of the force. Ok i don't know the true history i'm just reasoning (sorry by the english if i wrote anything wrong), but come on, do you really think that a race that feed from the dark side of the force, even from the very begining of their life, can desapair just as that. No i think that they prevented the event (whatever it was) and just flew away to another unknown place, after leaving (of course i don't think that everybody could be saved) some sith storyan puted all the knowledge in papers or holocrons and leaved them on Malachor V, including the few mentions of the true destiny of the entire race. Besides it was very clear written in the chronicles that all the wars and treachery (that principaly happened on Korriban) in the era before the rising of Revan, leaved the rebelious Jedi (or sith) in dust, some killed each other, others died out on Yavin, Dxun and other planets where war waged. The few remanents (is there were any) united their selves to Revan and Malak.

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:34 am

Sith as a race didn't use the force (either light or dark). They were much more like a Gammorean (those pig-faced creatures carrying axes in Return of the Jedi) - big brutes, when exiled Jedi found them. Beside, force sensitives are very rare (think 1 in a million), and I don't think that there is a race that is completly force sensitive other than Miraluka.

Korriban was allways only a cemetery world - it was never inhabited by Sith, they only bury their dead on that world (and then only their lords).

Tulak Hord lived after Great Hyperspace War - after lightsaber technology become known and used (I'm not sure, but he could be a fallen Jedi - something like Anakin).

Soulforged · Post by **Soulforged** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:13 pm

Ahhhhh!!... Thanks man but where do you get all that info?

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:05 pm

Well according to the 'Darkside Sourcebook' (d20) I've borrowed from my friend:
"25,000 years before the Battle of Yavin....
...eventually the darkside practitioners were driven beyond known space...far from the influence of the republic the Sith Empire was born.
The vanquished Dark Jedi found a primitive civilisation called the Sith. The species welcomed them as gods, and the darksiders dominated them. With new resources and willing slaves at their command, the exiled Jedi forged the Sith Empire, beginning a golden age of evil thousands of light years from the farthest borders of the republic. Each side forgot the other as the millenia passed. Teh great schism that divided the early Jedi became a legend."

There is no mention at all of Tuluk Hord in any of the rulebooks I can find.

It was also interesting to find out that the strongest Jedi/Sith in history all level 20 or lower, both Yoda and Sidious are level 20, the same as for example Marks Ragnos (Force Adept 4/Sith Acolyte 8/Sith Lord 8).

EDIT: And as a sidenote, Naga Sadow's equipment does not include a lightsaber (only a Sith Sword as weapon).

Soulforged · Post by **Soulforged** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:14 pm

But then were the true sith wearers of the force or not? And were they like Gomorreans?

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:22 pm

That's basically all that's mentioned, I would assume they were not force-wielders or they would have not worshipped the Dark Jedi as gods.

Also, in what sense do you mean, similar to Gomorreans?

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:18 am

Yeah, I also used "Dark Side Sourcebook" but that simply had info that you can find at the begining of "The Golden Age of the Sith" comic by Dark Horse.

When I wrote that Sith were like Gamorean I didn't mean thay look like them - I simply meen that Sith Lords treated them as Jabba the Hutt uses his Gamoreans - as bodyguards (not that they need them for that) and as a personal expendable army (Naga Saddow blow up a star abandonig his forces so he could cover his escape).

Note: Yoda, Sidious & Marka Ragnos are only level 20 for a simple reason that Star Wars RPG has a level cap of 20 - much like a standard D&D did before introduction of Epic Level Handbook. You could also notice that Marka Ragnos race is near-Sith which would meen that he has both Sith and Human blood. Naga Saddow is Human and Ludo Kresh is also near-Sith (or the other way around, I don't have DSS right now).

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:05 am

[QUOTE=Ripe]Note: Yoda, Sidious & Marka Ragnos are only level 20 for a simple reason that Star Wars RPG has a level cap of 20 - much like a standard D&D did before introduction of Epic Level Handbook. You could also notice that Marka Ragnos race is near-Sith which would meen that he has both Sith and Human blood. Naga Saddow is Human and Ludo Kresh is also near-Sith (or the other way around, I don't have DSS right now).[/QUOTE]
I was more concerned with the fact that Yoda/Sidious was as strong as a legendary figure of old times then them being underrepresented.

Ragnos, Sadow & Kressh all are "Sith (Near-human)".

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:12 am

okay this is really confusing the true sith probably never when known or something maybe the 'sith' just follow there belfeifs maybe the true sith where like the jedi of another galaxy a galaxy consumed by darkness and the darkside of the force and perhaps one went out of known space into another galaxy and landed there where he became dark lord and was worshiped and they took up the name 'sith' i really dont know i dought even george lucas knows

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:59 am

I am not a great Star Wars fan, so I dont know this, but who created Star Wars? I thought George Lucass only direxcted it?

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:25 am

I am not a great Star Wars fan, so I dont know this, but who created Star Wars? I thought George Lucass only direxcted it?

Star Wars is GL's creation, he both write the story and directed the movie.

tj_92 · Post by **tj_92** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:32 am

i thought smu1 worte a novel about it then he made more and filmed them he something like that or he just made up episode 1, 2 and 3 and sumone else made up 4, 5 and 6 but then because it was really big so people started making up diferent parts so it would all fit into place i think but it hasn't!

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:54 am

interesting, but 4, 5 and 6 are better ver though the colour isnt brilliant, thye didn't manage to make 1 and 2 as good as that, they made it too childish. So would be interesing if he didnt create all 6.

Sharks · Post by **Sharks** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:31 am

They did make a novel on it sort i've never read it my self but i did get a book with information on the guys who attacked in that novel they came from the sith Impire it looks like and there were able to block all force attacks the jedi use... it suggest they where in fact sith.

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:27 pm

Thats the wierd thing tho, in KOTOR 1, those tips and hints when the game loads said that sith were once a race and that they god destroyed and the dark jedi settled on their planet, so there are no true sith left. But in KOTOR 2, it says that Revan went to find the True Sith, but how can he do that if they r dead?

Sharks · Post by **Sharks** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:38 pm

I think KOTOR 1 that they ment Exar Kun when they said that... He was one of most powerful sith lords of all if not the most powerful.