Consular help

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:41 pm

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i think that would be better. palpatine should be at least yoda's level, if not slightly above. why else could he and darth destroy jedi masters so easily? als o he must be more powerful than vader (20% more powerful according to GL)

[QUOTE=MightyIron]This is also how i heard it happened. SPOILER

COLOR=Black]the fight was even and then palpatine tricked anakin into thinking mace attacked him for no reason.[/color][/QUOTE]

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:01 pm

Please keep this thread on topic, lest it will be closed, and not about the movies or DS more powerfull then LS.

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dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:43 am

well if you want help with a consular then you will probably want to know whether dark side or light side is stronger in the game. i guess we did go off topic, but to clarify, i think in the game that the dark side route is slightly stronger for ac onsular i.e. force specialist and the light side stronger for a melee specialist, although just about any build can be made to dominate the game completely.

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:32 am

Yeah, anyone can become dominant. Dark side consulars (or Sith Lords) are much more powerful than Light side consulars (or Jedi Masters). I have just completed as a Sith Lord, and managed to kill Sion 4 times without getting injured the first 3 times. Force Insanity then just a few force crushes mixes with lightning and he died easily. With Jedi Master, you would have to cast enlightenment which only boosts your physical strength. Light side have no offensive powers what so ever, the only thing they can use is force wave and that isnt a light side power and is not as good as storm or crush. With darksixde, you dont need the physical power boosting force powers, you can fight on the force alone. For my consular, I equipped 2 lightsabres for maximum crystals. The only reason I had the sabres is because my crystal and kasha gave me wisdom modifyers. I only used any weapons apart from the force on Peragus and Telos before I was powerful enough to reign on force powers alone.

1)As for investing feats on cross class skills, don't waste the feat. You can get much better feats to help you like conditioning or armor proficiency for the extra head sets and implants you can get along with conditionings saving throws.
Security is pretty much useless anyway, I have 1 in security and it opens pretty much all locks and if it doesn't, I just use a mine to blow it open which doesnt damage it atall. High demolitions are very useful in this game instead of security.

This next bit is mainly for darkside but it does work for light if you have force wave.

2)Get dual lightsabres so you can have maximum crystals and get the crystals with wisdom modifyers like kasha, your personal and i think that antarres saphire has it as well.

3) The only use of the weapon is lightsabres for the crystal modifyers. Wisdom in crystals is very useful.

4) It would be nice to check out both sides as consular, but dark side is alot stronger if u want to reign on force powers alone. Light side means you have to use weapons as well which means more feats to learn wih your limited number which could be used to et the conditioning feats.

Hope this helps, and if I have any mistakes, can someone point them out.

slapandtickle · Post by **slapandtickle** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:04 am

My dark side consular goes all the way to eleven!

But seriously, I played through as a light side consular/master and found it to be very fun. The TorturedOne and Dead! posted all the stuff I did or followed and it worked out well.

I took demolition cross class to pick up mines when I had to venture alone. Most of the time, you can get a party member to open up stuff for you and even when you do have to bash something, I think all you lose are chemicals and components.

I actually prefer force wave to force lightning because of the stun factor. Also force wave can kill baddies in the next room too.

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:42 am

I also prefer Force Wave over Force Storm (even as a DS).

Also in my oppinion they simply overpowered Force Lightning in both KotoR games. I mean look at the movies - Force Lightning is used 5 times (twice by Emperor, 3 times by Dooku) and 3 of those 5 times it had no effect on the person it was used on (Vader and Yoda dissipate it with Force, Obi-Wan use his saber for same effect). In fact in one of NJO series novels Kyp tell Jaina "If I know how to summon it, I know how to dissipate it." when she try to incapacitete him with lightning. That mean Force Lightning is only usefull against non-Jedi and Jedi students.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:52 am

Hmm, then maybe the opponent should have gotten a bonus to their saves rolls against it. Summin like, + 10.
I don't care anyway, because my character is so powerfull in the force:
29.5 wisdom modifier (without master valour)
4.5 charisma modifier (without master valour)

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:25 am

29.5 wisdom modifier (without master valour)
4.5 charisma modifier (without master valour)

29.5 Wisdom modifier???? 4.5 Charisma modifier???? How did you get that .5 modifier?

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:29 am

.5?
Well, that's when my atual stat is an odd number. My wisdom stat is 69.
So, the modifier is (69-10)/2. Which is 29.5
I'm just saying that its 29.5 so that you know that when I use force enligtenment my stat becomes an even number. And the modifier becomes 32
(29.5 + 2.5).
I'm sure you knew that.?

MightyIron · Post by **MightyIron** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:40 am

how have u got your wisdom to 69, are all your other stats 8.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:58 am

Here we go:
(I'm gonna list everything in stats not modifiers)

Starting Stats:
8 Str
9 Dex
15 Con
8 Int
18 Wis
13 cha

Final stats (without equipment, or force powers)
10 Str (8 +2 from kreia after breaking Hanharr)
9 Dex
18 Con (15+3 from Kreia, Hanharr and HK)
8 Int
39 Wis (18+12 attribute bonuses +6 lightside master jedi +3 from T3, Hk and Hanharr)
13 cha

Equipment

Mental D-Package
wisdom +3
charisma +3
inteligence +3

Force Focusing Visor
wisdom +4
charisma +1
regeneration F.P : +2

Ossus Keeper Robe
defence +1
charisma +2
inteligence +4
wisdom +4

Jal Shey Meditation Gloves
wisdom +2
dexterity +2
Skill - awareness : +2

Nomi's Armband
+1 vs D.S

Aj-daha's Armband
constitution +1

Jal Shey Mentor Belt
wisdom: +2
Force Resist +20

Lightsabers, 2:

saber I
type normal
color silver
crystal I Kasha
crystal II Kaiburr

saber I
type short
color veridian
crystal I My crystal (lightside, level 9)
crystal II Kaiburr

All equipment gives me:

Str 10+5=15
Dex 9+8=17
Con 18+7=25
Int 8+4=12
Wis 39+30=69
Cha 13+6 =19

(all, except inteligence are important so all except inteligence are odd numbers to prepare for force valour)

PS: I went evil and got hanharr and his upgrades, and then went good.
So, you like?

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:11 am

I actually prefer force wave to force lightning because of the stun factor. Also force wave can kill baddies in the next room too.

so can storm.
Sotorm is more powerful as well, when I played light side, I wanted to keep wave all the way through but then once i saw that 1 storm does 80 damage to each opponant on average, I thought it was better.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:15 am

He can actually do 300 damage each when my lightside jedi master decides to dish out the pain. With my two jedi guardians (handmaiden+Bao) guarding his delicate behind, no-one can even touch me!!!
maybe I should try out a character with a massive charisma stat next time. I hear it should make my allies more accurate!

MightyIron · Post by **MightyIron** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:57 am

Not bad, must suck for skills though.

EDIT: charisma adds modifiers to your companions chances of hitting. Just get a charisma of about 40 and they'll never miss

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:16 pm

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

But, to be honest, my skills do suck. My plan is however to just add a skill point to each skill class (even cross-class skills) and just carry around equipment to boost my skills when I need them. it works. But by now I don't need any equipment.
Equipment hunting is pretty testing but its worth it in the end.

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:00 pm

[QUOTE=Ripe]I also prefer Force Wave over Force Storm (even as a DS).

Also in my oppinion they simply overpowered Force Lightning in both KotoR games. I mean look at the movies - Force Lightning is used 5 times (twice by Emperor, 3 times by Dooku) and 3 of those 5 times it had no effect on the person it was used on (Vader and Yoda dissipate it with Force, Obi-Wan use his saber for same effect). In fact in one of NJO series novels Kyp tell Jaina "If I know how to summon it, I know how to dissipate it." when she try to incapacitete him with lightning. That mean Force Lightning is only usefull against non-Jedi and Jedi students.[/QUOTE]
Then that would mean a jedi could stop any force they know how to use, including force wave.

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:57 am

Then that would mean a jedi could stop any force they know how to use, including force wave.

Yes, it would. That's why every Jedi/Sith carry a lightsaber.

Adjatha, I think that Master Valor only increase your Strength, Dexterity and Constitution but not Inteligence, Wisdom and Charisma. It said in description of Master Valor that it increase physical attributes and saving throws.

MightyIron · Post by **MightyIron** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:27 am

[QUOTE=Ripe]
Adjatha, I think that Master Valor only increase your Strength, Dexterity and Constitution but not Inteligence, Wisdom and Charisma. It said in description of Master Valor that it increase physical attributes and saving throws.[/QUOTE]

It affects all stats, cos i use it when upgrading t3 to get him fully upgraded as it adds to your intelligence which increases the modifiers on comp use and repair.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:04 pm

Yeah.
Anyway, Dexterity wouldn't be included would it, cause that's not physical, and so it would just be constitution and strength, which would just suck as a force power.

Hey, has anyone here got a star-wars tattoo. Because I was thinking of getting a small yoda head under my belly-button. And an X-wing and Fighter on my arms, so when i put them together it shall look like a dog-fight.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:37 am

I was just wondering, in order to put my jedi to the test:
Are there any Bosses in the game against which certain forcepowers won't work, because of the bosses massive save bonus?
I'm thinking kill won't work against the final boss, cause that would just be tooo weird, killing the boss in two moves.