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Okay, I may be a little late, but I'm still gonna give some input.

Valygar would be okay altough he is indeed very driven and has something against magic.

Keldorn... Yeah, I like the Sean Connery thing too, but he's a bit too... Religious? I guess so, too commited to Helm, like you said Lenny.

Jan, he's a gnome, not my type. (just being honest)

Yoshimo, that guy keeps sucking up to everybody, and I do mean everybody, even Anomen.

Minsc, got potential and is also seriously strange, but it could work.

Hear'dalis, yeah, bi, doesn't have to be a problem but he's a bit... sissi or something.

Edwin, now there is somebody the game has intended never ever to romance anyone. Look at his lines... sigh. Maybe I'd try just for the challenge. (could be interestingly wicked )

Have I left anybody out?, don't think so. Maybe Anomen was the best choise... How sad.

Okay, Lenny. You wanted it.

First, a preface and explanation-- a lot of this is disconnected, incomplete, and somewhat incoherent, because instead of forming a complete mental and emotional picture of a character, I get things in flashes. If you give me a situation and a character, and allow me to watch that character for a while, I can give you a good approximation of what that character will do next, but if you ask me *why* I think that -- the gears tend to clog up. I *understand*, but communicating it in an understandable manner to another person is quite another issue. Some of this will also seem obvious, while other parts will seem completely wrong. This is likely a function of POV, and neither one of us is wrong.

Also, all this is from the POV of a main character who is pursuing the romance, and not telling him to shut up. ;-)

First, like his father, I don't think Anomen has ever grown up. This can be a good thing, 'cause few things are more boring than a jaded old fogey. ;-) However, in his case it's bad, because he hasn't outgrown the selfishness of childhood. He desperately wants to become a knight, simply because it is his childhood dream. Because he is still seeing all this through the memories of a child, I don't think he truly understands what it means to be a 'knight' or a 'paladin' -- he only sees the glory, not the reality of serving the people.

Also, I think he slightly resents his love interest (i.e., the main character). It goes a bit further than his snapping at her when he perceives complacency in her. He resents her because he can't figure her out. He can't figure anyone else out either, but he doesn't realize this -- in his arrogance, he simply believes that everyone else is an open book. (You can see this in his remarks about Renfeld the poisoned Harper, for example.) His notions are, of course, generally incorrect.

So, Anomen finds himself in a prickly position. There is this female, here, that seems to have it all figured out. Of course, that is not the case, but it looks that way to him, so in the end there's really very little difference. So, at turns, he ends up being arrogant, and needy, and though he doesn't realize it, he hates himself for it. Ultimately, a relationship with him would be doomed, because on his own, he will never be able to know himself, and will never be able to take off those blinkers unless and until he decides to take the people he sees out of those little boxes he places them in. He has placed himself in one of these boxes, too, which complicates matters further. (All of this is without his own conscious thought, of course. He does little in the way of thinking -- otherwise, he wouldn't be the way he is. As has been seen, he often relies on the main for his thinking.)

This is why I said Anomen is a Work In Progress. My thought is that the intention is for the female main to take off those blinkers, forcibly if necessary -- in essence, to mold Anomen into what she needs and desires.

If you believe all the sitcoms and stand-up comedians, this is what women want anyway. Pfffft!

BTW, Hendak doesn't appeal to me because he sounds like Ahnold (ick!). I like him because he's decisive and has few illusions about himself. He's also not adverse to asking others for help, as he seems to have little in the way of Pride (the bad Seven Deadly Sins one). 'Course, he also has less 'screen time' than the male NPCs, and I've always been partial to sidekicks and set characters.

As for Valygar, I kind of 'let him die' once I got into the sphere, he was driving me so nuts, so I didn't get to see what came after.

I could type more, if you'd like, but I can feel the gears clogging already. Let me know, and I'll see what I can dig up in a couple of days.

If you use Haer'Dalis, there is a potential story line of love triangle--between the main character and Aerie. Just the opposite of male character romance storyline with HD. But I think he spends more time looking into mirror...

Uhum. I would like Eddie. He's so damn intriguing, attractive and intelligent. I'd love to break those massive defences and see him vulnerable.

My other pick would be Korgan. Actually, if he was less violent, he would be the type I favor in real life. The gruff, no-nonsense masculine guy with down-to-earth intelligence and a golden heart under all that tough exterior...

like it's gonna happen. It's gonna be Valygar or some other boring pretty boy. Yawn.

Okay, of all of them:

Yoshimo: he's cute and funny, but not serious relationship material. I don't know why, it is just a vague feeling.

Anomen: Too needy and brattish. I don't want to mother anyone. Plus he's rather stupid. I like his emotional contradictions and intensity, though.

Haer'Dalis: Too feminine to me. Definitely bisexual, as far as digital files go.

Keldorn: He is kind of attractive. The big bad daddy thing. But he's stupid (or rather, a paladin who really fits that role). Oh, and married.

Cernd: looks okay, but is a pompous ass. And if his marriage is any indication, he's definitely not worth the trouble.

Valygar: goodlooking, but bores the shit out of me. That dark, brooding, droubled type is not for me, I want to have some wicked fun.

Jan: he's very sweet, but he's... well... a gnome. And he loves another.

Minsc: too retarded. I don't think he'd ever get a clue anyway if I had hots for him.

And I already told I want Edwin or Korgan. BTW, I don't see Korgan as abusive to a lover. He reacts strongly to child abusers and people "who sell women and children as if there were cattle". I think he would be clumsily chivalrous in old-fashioned way, care deeply but show it rather through actions than words.

Hell if I care, I live among drow pristess of the Dark maiden, so I don´t have any problems. Besides I know the Art so I can always use a polymorph other spell to change her to lovely drow.

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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alexia:
Yoshimo: Even if he is a traitor, I think he was the most fun guy in my party (until I killed him). He showed an interest in the other characters as well as my PC.

I'd like to thank you for your spoiler warning. Umm, wait, that's right, you didn't *give* one. Seeing as I was just surfing random messages, looking for general advice and opinions, rather than actual spoilers, it's probably my own fault ofr not being more careful. But since I just started the game, and had already decided that I liked Yoshimo and intended to keep him in the party, I was really annoyed by this. Now I'm going to either have to boot him, or wait and see how long it takes for his backstab.

I just thought that spoiler warning were SOP. Is that not so on this forum?

Sorry to hear this, Templar. Usually people do put it SPOILER warnings in their messages, but this thing has been chewed over dozens of times already by the regular visitors, so I guess it was considered "a known fact" by the writer of the message.

Consider how p*ssed you'd have been when the sneaky swine turned on you though.

Now go get Jan!

Rerad the last 4 pages of the Goody thread and try to decipher a lot of the views on BG2's playoff between Good and Evil, you should probably create something encompassing a better morale astetic, either that or 'how the Son Of Bhaal performs in Bed'

Your Main character could become a pimp who pimps off his female campanions to any man with coin

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"I claim the right to contradict myself. I don't want to deprive myself of the
right to talk nonsense, and I ask humbly to be allowed to be wrong sometimes."
-- Federico Fellni

[This message has been edited by Mr Sleep (edited 01-05-2001).]

Create a romance where the guy treats the lady lead like sh*t. They're bound to lap it up and keep coming back for more.

I'm not gay either, but inventing a gay script would really make the game intresting. Think of this; All npcs have gay scripts and becomes madly inlove with one another with no racial or sexual limits! That would sure be fun!

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To Templar about the spoiler:

I wouldn't feel the need to kick Yoshimo out of the group. His betrayal is a major part of the story and it causes you no lasting problems in my opinion. I won't say more because I don't want to make it worse.

Zimith:

I agree it would be fun to have some gay romance scripts, but I don't think that's the way to implement it.

Real people are not that flexible in their sexuality. If I was a lesbian or bisexual I would be a very different person. I think it would be freaky to have two/three totally different Jaheiras... I think one character has to have a consistent view of sexuality. But then, I can see for example Haer'Dalis (who I pique as omnisexual) going for either sex just as easily.

AND HOW ABOUT BOO????

Like I said before there are only 2 romances in the game that go on.
Jaheira.
Amoen.
Aerie, she have a crunch on you that´s it, Viconia loves you but to protect you she will leave you.(She is very Up on my view for doing that)
Besides Amoen romance is not that bad(some people will complaint about anything) and besides all it´s problems the guy love you and will go to hell and back(He will do that in the game) for you. the only problem is how he will do if the order tell him to leave you.

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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Originally posted by Doltan:
To Templar about the spoiler:

I wouldn't feel the need to kick Yoshimo out of the group. His betrayal is a major part of the story and it causes you no lasting problems in my opinion. I won't say more because I don't want to make it worse.

Thanks, Doltan. I was thinking about keeping him anyway; if nothing else, he's been useful and entertaining. If he's important to the story, then I'll just suck it up, so to speak. Thanks all for your help and kind words!

I'm afraid that I haven't actually got the time tonight to read through all of your posts...I shall have to save the page and do so later...but....Haer'Dalis gets my vote! And if not Haer'Dalis *dejected sigh*, then Edwin or Minsc. Yayy!!

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iorne, korgan has a golden heart? did you hear all the stuff he says? even viconia is scared of him lol.

Ok, Lenny:
You´ve got a point there about Keldorn being too devoted to his god.(Who is Torm, by the way, not Helm ) I guess that Anomen was perhaps the best choice after all. But there´s one minus here: If I marry Anomen, I´ll end up being just like Keldorn´s wife!
On the other hand, lady Maria is a *lady*, and I´m an adventuring Bhaal spawn... Oh well, I´m jabbering..

I must admit I'm partial about Korgan, but he reveals a lot of himself to Mazzy eventually and has no love for slavers and child abusers.