VV, Hunters, and Noise

[MalaksBane]

.... Celerity, on the other hand, must work not by speeding you up to faster than a bullet, but by slowing their perception of you down so that you appear faster than a bullet.

Mhh, reloading a gun was, no appeared, slower while high on Celerity, which makes sense when you assume the vampire speeds up, while the mechanical things he/she uses do not. Guns don't have any perception. Secondly, it seems rather overdone to slow 'down the world' when speeding up the vampire has the same effect and thirdly, you'd get in trouble as soon as two vampires, using different levels of celerity, try to affect the same observers.

The 'slow down perception' theorie does have the advantage that it might give celerity the same base as obfuscation.

It's the whole Star Trek inertial damper thing. Even as a vampire, how could you accelerate to hyper-speed in an instant without blowing all of your organs out through your back, or at least blowing all your weaponry out through your back? You can't.

How long does it take for an instant to pass? Accelerating to some velocity in .1 sec would seem about as fast, to the human eye, as in .2 seconds, but the forces are twice as high in the first case. The duration of 'an instant' is rather important. Your organs aren't bothered much by (sustained) accelerations up to 6-10 time normal gravity - say 60 - 100 m/s/s or from 0 to 72 km/h in .2 - .3 sec - and you'd normally not be able to accelerate to anything near 1G (9.8 m/s/s) with musclepower.
I see little problem for the vampire to accellerate many time faster then normal, as far as organs are concerned, doing so without breaking bones is another matter.

[mr_sir]

with their regeneration abilities though, surely that would account for any non-serious damage done. not sure how to explain possible serious damage though as a result of using celerity.

[Anaximander]

Vampires are supernatural creatures and Celerity is a supernatural power. Vampires are walking corpses. They exist because of a curse cast upon Caine by God. Why are we even debating the physics of their abilities when their entire existence is scientifically impossible?

Vampires can use Celerity to move at incredible speeds with no injury to themselves. They are not natural creatures, so the laws of nature need not apply. Either you buy it or you don't.

At any rate, maybe we should start a new thread to continue this tangent, as it's getting a bit off topic.

[pennypincher]

For additional back ground:

Traditional hunters, the original, fun, interesting kind... Had no magical powers at all. They are mortal men and women working independant, and often totaly unaware, of each other. They were often pawns of supernaturals, played against one another to keep each other busy. Use of ANY discipline on them was, not only cool, but well advised if you were smart about it.

The stupid, boring, new kind of hunter from the book Hunter: The Reckoning, has insane, game breaking imunities to... Everything really. Any discpline that effected the hunter was usualy shrugged off instantly (Dominate, Presence, Vicissitude, Obfuscate, Animalism, Chimestry) and other powers that effected the vampire and not the target were easily countered with some of the stupid "Non Supernatural" powers on offer to the hunters. (Celerity vs Burden. Burden wins! Potence vs Buffet, Buffet wins! Fortitude vs Cleave, Cleave wins!)

It could be that the wanna-be stripper is meant to be one of the new Hunters who quickly and easily bounces off most, if not all, powers you use. Now, I never stopped to find a list of things that did and didn't work on her... Rather I took a twisted joy in buffing, walking in and clubbing her to death with a fire axe while laughing and pointing at her feeble efforts to stike me for any kind of telling blow.

Also remember, while some powers are not a breech of the Masquerade, they are only so because nobody KNOWS they are a power. If you knew about Dominate and knew that Vampires could use it, and someone in a night club turned to your friend and... In a Commanding tone declared "You will follow me back to my car and return with me to my home", at which your friend instantly put down their drink and turned to obey.. You might become sus! So think about the powers not just in a Masquerade breaking perspective, but also a "If I knew vampires could do something like this, would doing this give me away?" angle.

In addition, some people think Celerity is a derivitive of a lesser known True Brujah power called "Temporis" which does, indeed, slow down and speed up time rather then the vampire themselves.