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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 8:28 am
by Daniel
Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>We all know that if dragons were real, no dragon in its right mind would sit in the middle of a Cloudkill spell. It would run out madder than hell and flambe the nearest people)</STRONG>
Hmmm... I wonder if they would do that if they were real... for its fantasy! And if they were real, wouldn't they be family of the dinosaurs, so they wouldn't be smart at all. Did dragons had education? No! Maybe dragons like Cloudkill because its hot (yeah, they do like warmth!)... so don't say words like 'we all know' because you can't know because its a fairy tale, imagination, it is what the people make of it!
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 8:46 am
by Gruntboy
Vegeta - you may certainly make of it what you will. Indeed, anyone who wants to be labelled as "Mr Fromage" may do as they wish and cloudkill their way through the game's tough monsters.
Fable is saying 2 things.
1. He is being honest. Cloudkill works but it has been acknowledged that the Dragon AI is poor and should be rectified. Anyone who uses it and claims plucky, quick witted victory smells a good deal more of camembert than soneone who really has used their common sense to defeat the dragon.
2. In common fantasy (maybe not your fantasy), Dragons are an ancient, powerful and wise race. They would not sit idly by whilst asphyxiating in a cloudkill. They would most likely have smelled an intruder in their domain before said intruder had time to lay traps. This should be refelcted in the AI.
On his behalf, I would invite you to bite Fable.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 9:09 am
by Lews Therin
Originally posted by jace4ever:
<STRONG>Does it really work against the in TOB like * and ** (spelling error) as well as ***?
Honestly, I usually rely on physical attacks and I would to find easier ways to defeat tough opponents like them rather than just relying on my sword.</STRONG>
Thanks for the spoiler space. At least I already knew of two of these. The last I didn't though.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 9:25 am
by Daniel
Originally posted by Gruntboy:
<STRONG>Vegeta - you may certainly make of it what you will. Indeed, anyone who wants to be labelled as "Mr Fromage" may do as they wish and cloudkill their way through the game's tough monsters.
Fable is saying 2 things.
1. He is being honest. Cloudkill works but it has been acknowledged that the Dragon AI is poor and should be rectified. Anyone who uses it and claims plucky, quick witted victory smells a good deal more of camembert than soneone who really has used their common sense to defeat the dragon.
2. In common fantasy (maybe not your fantasy), Dragons are an ancient, powerful and wise race. They would not sit idly by whilst asphyxiating in a cloudkill. They would most likely have smelled an intruder in their domain before said intruder had time to lay traps. This should be refelcted in the AI.
On his behalf, I would invite you to bite Fable.
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If dragons are an ancient, powerful and wise race and you are a reasonalble guy with common sence, why killing the dragon? Just get a deal with him, just like in the movie Dragonheart. Besides, if you want to kill him, you should do it good and quick! A real smart dragon knows when to flee and let you sit in his ****pile while he's flying away to a far-away land...
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Vegeta ]
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 10:12 am
by hermetic
Dragons are shamefully easy in both SoA & ToB, but eventually crpg's will do it right. Cloudkilling 'em is indeed a bit cheesy. I use a party of 3 mages & 3 tanks. I typically use the mages (2 of whom have lowered casting time) to cast Lower Resist. Then I proceed to Magic Missile them to death. All the while my tanks & undead absorb the Dragon's attacks. In SoA my mages almost always got the kill, but now that warriors are so much more formidable in ToB I'd say it's about 50/50. So far Korgan has taken the credit for Saladrex, and Jan for the other Watcher's Keep Dragon.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:05 pm
by Xyx
Originally posted by TheDude:
<STRONG>1 spell trigger with 3 lower resistance follwoed by one Finger of Death = death Dragon And it will only take u 1 char to make the combo.</STRONG>
...with the notable difference that the thing may save. Dragons tend to have pretty good saves.
Nature's Beauty's slay effect has a save at +3, meaning it is next to worthless. However, it also causes Blindness with
no save,
permanently. Just "ranged weapon" the thing to death; it'll just sit there.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:17 pm
by aVENGER2k
Originally posted by Xyx:
<STRONG>Nature's Beauty's slay effect has a save at +3, meaning it is next to worthless. However, it also causes Blindness with no save, permanently. Just "ranged weapon" the thing to death; it'll just sit there.</STRONG>
Yup.as I said it's a great spell but is seams that it
does check the Magic Resistance...read more about it in
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