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Post by Claudius »

There are 8 worldly winds...

praise and blame
pleasure and pain
gain and loss
fame and infamy

You always want one and avoid the other.
By nature embodying all Conquerors my refuge,
O Venerable Jampa Gyenchok, my spiritual father
Kind in three ways, I your subject will honour
As crown ornament the dust particles on your toes.

Dharma in general is just a matter of attitude:
Joy or sadness if unrestrained in one's mind
Will bring additional self-created suffering;
Of this I have a few words of truth to share:

Through the Eight Worldly Dharmas' biased likes and dislikes
All pleasure and sorrow in one's life
Become excessive feelings of pleasure and sorrow;
To correct these one could think in this way:

When peace and joy grow in body and mind
It is the fruit of virtues in previous lives.
Think: Is there any point feeling inflated and proud?
Suffering will definitely arise at the end of joy.

When unwell in body and mind
It is the fruit of bad actions in previous lives.
Think: What good will depression and despondency be?
For suffering too is unstable and will definitely change.

When you find whatever you've wanted --
Like articles of material luxury --
Think: Excessive delight rarely helps:
All these too are ephemeral and illusory.

When you don't find what you've wanted
Think deeply: Is there any point feeling desolate and sad?
For what's gained in life must be discarded at death.
Instead remain in contentment, the supreme wealth,

Though the complimentary words of friends
Are pleasant to the ears, they are only sounds.
Think: Why feel so joyous unnecessarily?
For they are like echoes in an empty land.

When you hear what's unpleasant,
Hate and anger will only harm you.
Think: 'Pleasant and unpleasant' are just the bias of desire:
[What's heard] is like a flute in a dream.

When your fame and power and influence increase and
Others singing your greatness elevate and praise you
Realize this as the deceptive craft of sycophants --
Think: this is like a Lorelei's trap.

When you are criticized and disparaged
Think: being high and low, rich and poor are not stable;
Praise and criticism also are like this --
They are like passing showers in summertime.

Thus realize that these Eight Worldly Dharmas
Are not only contrary to spiritual life:
If joy and sadness are unrestrained
They will cause additional suffering even in everyday life.

The Four Inevitable Ends of Compounded Phenomena
Remain unalterable by any means
So what use is it to grieve and be miserable?
Instead contemplate this seriously in advance:

From the moment life, a mind-body relation is formed
In the mother's womb due to karma and delusion,
Since the inevitable end of birth is death
Think: this as like the state of a butter lamp.

Food, clothing and shelter, material riches
Though there's not one item one doesn't want,
Since the inevitable end of collection is exhaustion
Think: this as like the honey hoarded by bees.

Though through cherishing mind one wants never to be parted from
Spiritual mentors, relations, retinue and retainers,
Since the inevitable end of meeting is parting
Think: we are all like visitors to a market fair.

Although one may desire the prominence of power
From prestige and social position in this life,
Since the inevitable end of rising is falling
Think: this is like the vulture soaring high in the sky.

To not limit one's sadness about compounded phenomena's
Four ends that cannot be averted
Is to bring additional suffering created by self --
Hence observe this preview of actual events.

May this well-meant advice imbued with words of Dharma
Level attitudes distorted by the Eight Worldly Dharmas;
May this increase the power of mind that accords with Dharma
And transform the mind until it is Dharma.

From the origin of suffering that turns without end
Have arisen sufferings related with the Four Ends;
Meditating on the Noble Path that ends
Suffering, may all achieve true cessation without extreme ends.

Colophon: This piece of advice called "True Words: Nectar for the Ear" was written in order to help remove additional suffering that many people today have experienced and are experiencing due to excessive happiness and sadness whenever they experience happiness and sadness, by showing how to level the Eight Worldly Dharmas and how to deal mentally with the Four Inevitable Ends, by the lazy practitioner of Dharma, Thupten Tulku, on the thirtieth day of the fourth lunar month 1997, in my apartment, the Joyous Grove of Kechari, at Dhargyey Buddhist Centre in New Zealand.

Translated from the Tibetan by Losang Dawa with Ven. Sönam Chokyi.

May this be virtuous and beneficial to all.
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Why would you proclaim the way they live their life is a "blanded down" version of how they "ought" to live?
I think DW and myself have both answered this, above. You're welcome to disagree with our opinions, but that doesn't make us automatically wrong, and you automatically right.
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very nice claudius, thank you
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@Vic: I certainly agree with your assertion that you are an unpleasant person. That's evident in the argument games you enjoy playing here on the forum. True to form, you popped up here in this thread playing your usual game of bait and switch. How quickly you become personal. No surprise there.


@DW:
So..they are keeping a residence and living in a hotel. Come on folks.. this is hardly a life of simple frugality...
I'm not familiar with the retirement system in the UK...but perhaps this couple's flat costs them very little to keep?

I didn't walk away with the sense that this couple's point is a "life of simple frugality" in any case. Rather, it seems to me that despite some people's apparent disdain, they are enjoying themselves. That alone is more than I can say for the majority of people that I know. Is that true for you as well?

It's one thing to identify a cup of tea you don't care for. But it's another to demean someone else who likes it. For the disdain and charge of "blandness" I've seen leveled at this couple over their choice of lifestyle, I really don't see much excitement or zest apparent in their accusers.
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Chanak wrote: @DW:

I'm not familiar with the retirement system in the UK...but perhaps this couple's flat costs them very little to keep?

I didn't walk away with the sense that this couple's point is a "life of simple frugality" in any case. Rather, it seems to me that despite some people's apparent disdain, they are enjoying themselves. That alone is more than I can say for the majority of people that I know. Is that true for you as well?

It's one thing to identify a cup of tea you don't care for. But it's another to demean someone else who likes it. For the disdain and charge of "blandness" I've seen leveled at this couple over their choice of lifestyle, I really don't see much excitement or zest apparent in their accusers.
Well, last I heard rentals and property values in the UK can be very high, but it of course depends on area and any number of circumstances, so admittedly, anything is possible. Maybe, if it's their own flat, they've even paid off their mortgage. I suppose it's just that maintaining more than one residence (whether that be multiple palatial manors or doing what this couple is doing) is excessive to me. But hey, that's just me, I'm a hippie at heart.

Nor did I walk away with the sense that this couple is attempting frugality, but that seemed to be the interpretation some people posting in this thread have adopted. For example:
Was it appaling that these people are satisfied with so little? I think that's great. You should try blanding down then.

“It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about.”
Some of the great Buddhist boddhisatvas lived without any possessions whatsoever. If they acquired something they gave it away. Milarepa lived in a cave for years and because of him the dharma lineage was transmitted.
*shrugs* As I said, I personally couldn't care less if they want to live on top of the Eiffel Tower in a magical floating tent. They aren't really hurting anyone by living as they do, and if they are happy, well that's great. It wouldn't be for me, and my particular rootless background makes me react with horror at something like that, but it's all about diversity, differing people have different preferences. There's enough suffering and unhappiness in this world to go around many times over, so if two people find satisfaction by living in a motel, all the more power to them. However, just as they have the right to live their life the way they so choose, others have the right to comment.
My only point is that it's not as though this couple has adopted some sort of radical, anti-materialist lifestyle, which is what some people appear to be suggesting.

Granted. But this is hardly the first time something in this forum has been critiqued. I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that a topic so ostensibly banal has provoked such a strong response.
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There's enough suffering and unhappiness in this world to go around many times over, so if two people find satisfaction by living in a motel, all the more power to them.
I agree wholeheartedly with that. I think the root of the conversation is if the poster meant "they are bland" (as an absolute statement) ie they suck or if they meant "they are bland" ie 'I couldn't be happy under those conditions and honestly am revolted at how they live'. For example I find people who earn a living by e-mailing spam about performance enhancing cream to be distasteful but I recognize that is my poop and not theirs. If I was homophobic I still feel uncomfortable around gay people but I might recognize that it is my neurosis and not gays (although I still feel all the feelings when my co-workers describe spending time in front of a fire with their gay lovers).

Note: these days I could care less about anyones sexual activity I was just trying to illustrate what I meant about acknowledging a judgement as 'my poop' rather than someones elses.
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Chanak wrote:@Vic: I certainly agree with your assertion that you are an unpleasant person. That's evident in the argument games you enjoy playing here on the forum. True to form, you popped up here in this thread playing your usual game of bait and switch. How quickly you become personal. No surprise there.
Before I post anything else, can you quote the part where I became personal so that I can apologize?
Vicsun, I certainly agree with your assertion that you are an unpleasant person. ~Chanak

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they left the light on for me

wifey and i are scrapping, so i, too, am living in a hotel. pretty funny, eh? it's not so bad though, really. the pool is still open, i've been swimming every day till it feels like my arms are gonna fall off. it's in a commercial district, so i can walk to do any of my ordinary tasks, like dinner and laundry and the bar. plus, i have a wonderful view of the expressway. i do enjoy sitting outside the room and meeting all the mad passers-by. you never know who you'll meet in a place like that. as of now, i've been there one week and i'm paid up for another, but long term, i'm not so sure about. trying to keep up a mortgage and pay $220 a week for a room is no joke. if the nice old couple can do it, more power to 'em.
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joebob wrote:wifey and i are scrapping, so i, too, am living in a hotel. pretty funny, eh? it's not so bad though, really.
You refer to it as scrapping. Do you mean you're in a hotel because you can't afford to live elsewhere, or because you actually prefer it to living in, say, a house? And if the latter, would you want to do that permanently? If so, why? I'm curious. The people I've known and known of who have lived their lives in hotel rooms were either extremely wealthy, and rented penthouse suites (essentially, homes) in posh downtown hotels (New York, Dallas, etc), or very poor, and essentially traded occupancy for a variety of tasks performed in hotels that were past their best days. Or--as in the couple discussed in this thread--they seemed to prefer the wafer-thin walls, the lack of permanent neighbors, to choosing the appliances they used on a daily basis, of altering the space the lived in.
i'm not so sure about. trying to keep up a mortgage and pay $220 a week for a room is no joke. if the nice old couple can do it, more power to 'em.
If they own the hoiuse outright, then it makes little sense to me to spend money living in a place where the frame of your lives are essentially controlled by a staff for a cut-rate hotel. If they don't own, then yes, it's really strange, because then they're shelling out cash on top of home payments for a place they don't use. Storage is far cheaper.

EDIT: Here's a bit more on the Davidsons, that I've read on the BBC: "The couple have spent about £100,000 but said they do not have to worry about bills, cooking or making the bed...World War II veteran Mr Davidson said: "We get great rates because we book well in advance and we even have our own personal housekeeper. It doesn't get much better than that, does it?"

So it seems in the Davidson's case to be all about not wanting to deal with housekeeping, bills, and cooking, which makes them the lower class equivalent of the very posh downtown nightclub and penthouse set. Personally, I don't find that self-abnegating, but each to their own.
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Home, Sweet Home
Was it appaling that these people are satisfied with so little? I think that's great. You should try blanding down then.
“That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest.”
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Ah, I see I've missed a lot while away on vacation... :)

What is this argument about? Why would anyone choose to live in a cheap motel for 22 years?

A British couple have shacked up in a budget roadside motel for more than 20 years because they love never having to do the laundry or cooking, they said Tuesday.

There is an answer: they love never having to do the laundry or cooking.
Not having to do laundry and cooking is their priority. They prefer dining out at a "roadside eatery across the car park" to any home cooking. Home cooking requires time, skill and, God forbid, work. However, as we learned by now, doing any housework (as opposed to having all cooking/cleaning done for them by somebody else) is definitely not their preference:

"...and we even have our own personal housekeeper. All our bed linen is laundered, too. It doesn't get much better than that, does it?" said former Royal Navy sailor David Davidson.

You are right, David, it does not. Having a personal housekeeper is a dream come true. Good thinking, David.

The Davidsons exchange Christmas presents with the staff...

Now, that is precious. I imagine, there is always a little something for "our dear personal housekeeper" under the motel's Christmas tree. Makes me cry.

"Our room looks out to the car park and a busy slip road where lorries pass through the night," David Davidson said.

Perhaps, snobs such as myself might fancy a life in a quiet neighborhood away from noisy and smelly traffic as more desirable than watching lorries pass through the night. As they say, to each his own. Perhaps, they really enjoy all this traffic.

Now, let's discuss the minimalistic furnishing of a roadside motel. Living in a motel is a perfect cure for pack-ratting:

"We do have to be a bit choosy about what we keep in our room as it can fill up easily."

Indeed. A suitcase, an alarm clock, and a Bible. Voila.

And just when we thought things could not possibly get better, they did:

His wife added: "We don't get hit with huge heating bills over the winter and its safer than a lot of places these days." The couple do go for trips abroad -- but stay in a Travelodge.

The parsimonious couple save enough money by not paying their heating bills to travel abroad (and stay in yet another Travelodge, I suppose – always at home, sweet home).

So, they lead a pleasant life of leisure, a cheap version.

In conclusion, I am going to say that fable's point of view reflects my own close enough:
So it seems in the Davidson's case to be all about not wanting to deal with housekeeping, bills, and cooking, which makes them the lower class equivalent of the very posh downtown nightclub and penthouse set.
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