We are at War

[Minerva]

Originally posted by Tybaltus
de Goya never approved of war. And while I wouldnt go quite as far as he did sometimes, I do agree to some points he brought up, 200 years ago.

Just wanted to share, and thought this was the most appropriote place to put it.

I think it's a part of two paintings. De Goya's black paintings series are also well known, though they are not directly connected to war.

Another famous war painting is Pablo Piccasso's Guernica. That is the one you must see in real, because it's impossible to describe even though I went to see it several times.

You should go to Madrid one day, Tyb.

[Tybaltus]

Originally posted by Minerva
I think it's a part of two paintings. De Goya's black paintings series are also well known, though they are not directly connected to war.

Another famous war painting is Pablo Piccasso's Guernica. That is the one you must see in real, because it's impossible to describe even though I went to see it several times.

You should go to Madrid one day, Tyb.

Yes, he had quite a few aquatint and etching series he created...some composing of over 25 pieces. More then half of them seemed to have dealt with the seriousness of war. There is one particular etching that is very sickening....made me ill looking at it...it was the desecration of the dead. Another powerful image, though not quite as graphic was "And they fought like animals", gets another message across. Just looking at the emotion and the imagery of his pieces of work will show horrors of war.

Heh. Yeah...I heard Pablo Piccasso did look and learn from many de Goya paintings...

I would really love to. Not to mention go to the Louvre, Italy, Egypt, India, (India for Taj Mahal, specifically, Egypt for architectural wonders, and Italy for architecture, paintings, AND sculptures ) The pieces of art Ive studied, some just take the breath away....now what would it look like in Real Life? Wow...I can only image.

But if you do want to look at more war paintings and works, do a google search on de Goya. Look for some etchings...but I feel "May 3, 1808" is the best one to look at for non-art fans and art fans alike. It got the point I wanted to extract.

[Scayde]

Originally posted by Weasel
Finally someone who understands. The US is not a true democratic system. No matter what a President of the US says, it is not. Now this is not to say it is not a fair system to go by at this time. (Continue my thoughts below)


I for one believe there is still a chance of "mob mentality", (the reason I put 'this" above) or what I considered "mob mentality". An example, look at how many people ran out and bought gas mask and duct tape. I seriously wonder about the education in the US sometimes. Or maybe education isn't the right word...maybe plain common sense would be better.

Will there come a day when the Electoral College is not needed, I would say yes. But I cannot tell when.

I could not agree more. There is still a very real threat of "Mob Mentality' in the US. Thinking here tends to ocuur in clusters or block with the feelings, designs, paranoia and fears reflected in which ever cultural group or demographic area you happen to be looking at. The strongest sentiments of the masses rising to the surface at a given time strongly influence the less politically minded midle ground constituents of the area. One reason, for instance for California being nicknamed the "Left Coast". You can almost always count on the "Bread Basket" States leaning toward the conservative, New York hving a strong socialist bent, Texas would for the most part do away with a great deal of the fedral government. These are regional differences and if the US were a pure democracy many of these needs and desires for the direction of this nation would be left in the dust in a bid to please the most numerous areas. I do not think this would be good for our nation. Not that there are not flaws with the present system, as DD has pointed out, but I do not think that desolving the electoral college is the answer.